The History of BMW Club Malaysia and birth of UDMowners.com

[Iqlima]

Aiya.. give him the founding member or give up the founding member status. It all started by the "title".

Just have either "Forumer" or "Official Member" plus the "Committee" + "Prez" + "VP" + "Trez" & "Sec".

Will they " sacrifice" the title ? This is the root of everything here ................

 

[climenta]

Will they " sacrifice" the title ? This is the root of everything here ................

There's no reason to sacrifice the title because it is not a title. I'm sure this can be done by adjusting the colors & status of his profile & giving him THE title. But is he going to be part of the club?

To seek clarification from the honourable members of BCM's current committee, are the names of the founding members carved in stone in the constitution? Sorry to be deviating off the topic but it is a point to ponder on why he is asking for his due recognition

 

[XXX]

Will they " sacrifice" the title ? This is the root of everything here ................

it not the title that is the root of the problem here...its asking for a title when one has got no rights to it.

 

[Iqlima]

it not the title that is the root of the problem here...its asking for a title when one has got no rights to it.

Title la tu bro ......... you pusing apa nie .........

Greets

 

[E46Fanatic]

Seeing he was seated in the VVIP row in early days of BMWCM, it's a recognition done by BMWCM for his contributions. I guess many have since worked very hard since the "handover", and on volunteer basis. All boils down to why you volunteer and work hard for the club. Is is driven by passion or position or power or need to be recognized. If its the first, the titles etc doesn't matter. To each his own.

Personally I really appreciate Chester (He's also a really nice fella) for his early work and his vision then. The club have evolved since thanks to the BMWCM committee...

 

[climenta]

So father, where is the RM1,000,000 that you promised to donate to the club?:love:

You think that you can farked around and give birth to your creation without any love and nurture. Now that he grow up, you want to claim to be the father. Where were you when the child have fever. Did you do anything when he got his birth certificate and his IC? Did you come for his birthday and his graduation day. What type of father are you?

My guardian treat me better.

My son,

Now that you have grown up, famous & can provide me with many many benefits, I think it is time for me to come home & claim what is mine (my blood & meat leh, knn dont prey prey ah). There can be opinions on what kind of a father I have been, but nevertheless you're still MINE & in the end there can only be one father!!!

Yours truly,

Your real father

 

[ALBundy]

There's no reason to sacrifice the title because it is not a title. I'm sure this can be done by adjusting the colors & status of his profile & giving him THE title. But is he going to be part of the club?

To seek clarification from the honourable members of BCM's current committee, are the names of the founding members carved in stone in the constitution? Sorry to be deviating off the topic but it is a point to ponder on why he is asking for his due recognition

Well the names of the founding members certainly not carved in the constitution, but it was in the original submission form to ROS by the Pro-tem committee.

Cheers

 

[XXX]

Title la tu bro ......... you pusing apa nie .........

Greets

pusing macam tayar keleta gualah....:top:

 

[jarance]

There's no reason to sacrifice the title because it is not a title. I'm sure this can be done by adjusting the colors & status of his profile & giving him THE title. But is he going to be part of the club?

To seek clarification from the honourable members of BCM's current committee, are the names of the founding members carved in stone in the constitution? Sorry to be deviating off the topic but it is a point to ponder on why he is asking for his due recognition

article 12.2. states the following. Go figure.

12.2 The Founder shall be automatically be named or appointed as the Honorary Club Advisor of the Club should the appointment be accepted by said Founder.

 

[Hellraiser]

why should recognition be given when there is none to be given in the first place? BMWCM is not founded by him just like KFC was founded by Colonel Sanders.

Its a totally different club which is what everyone is trying to say but according to Chester, as he is the founder of bmwclub.com.my and BMWCM is a "spinoff" of the original club therefore he is also the founder here. There are some technical issues in between as to who did what and who didn't do squat where the issue of club founder is truly deserved.

If we follow Chesters argument, then the Malaysian Constitution which derives from the British Constitution makes us all....British citizens !!

But lets look at this from a discussion point of view.

Lets say i start an adult dating forum, members of my committee form another forum...does that make me founder of that club too? no...

Let's say i form an adult dating forum and it was a matter of time before someone starts it, does that make me founder for all the adult dating forums? no...

I hope to see the day where all BMW enthusiast irregardless of car model or year of make is united under one club banner where we stand united and strong and the envy of all other car clubs.

Is this impossible?

 

[535i]

Appreciate what they have done as the founding members.
Without them - we won't be where we are now.

BUT - time to move on .. with the new comm, new agenda, new vision, new plans.
Need to start looking forward - using the experience that we have gained as our guide and guidelines.

Jasa mu di kenang ..

my 2 cents.

 

[Hellraiser]

My son,

Now that you have grown up, famous & can provide me with many many benefits, I think it is time for me to come home & claim what is mine (my blood & meat leh, knn dont prey prey ah). There can be opinions on what kind of a father I have been, but nevertheless you're still MINE & in the end there can only be one father!!!

Yours truly,

Your real father

bro, you make this sound like a scene from Star Wars...

Darth Vader : "(F)Luke, I am your...father!"

(F)Luke : "Noooooooooooooooo....."

 

[E46Fanatic]

why should recognition be given when there is none to be given in the first place? BMWCM is not founded by him just like KFC was founded by Colonel Sanders.

Its a totally different club which is what everyone is trying to say but according to Chester, as he is the founder of bmwclub.com.my and BMWCM is a "spinoff" of the original club therefore he is also the founder here. There are some technical issues in between as to who did what and who didn't do squat where the issue of club founder is truly deserved.

I think most folks who have been around long enough do see some significance of his work with regards to the start of BMWCM. Hence he's sitting in the front VVIP row in one of the BMWCM events. Even in its simpliest form, first committee wouldn't have come together without a medium like a forum to communicate and get to know each other. I guess we have to thank Autoworld also haha cos from there, the first "community" branched out to form bmwclub.com.my.

 

[sithwarrior]

why should recognition be given when there is none to be given in the first place? BMWCM is not founded by him just like KFC was founded by Colonel Sanders.

Its a totally different club which is what everyone is trying to say but according to Chester, as he is the founder of bmwclub.com.my and BMWCM is a "spinoff" of the original club therefore he is also the founder here. There are some technical issues in between as to who did what and who didn't do squat where the issue of club founder is truly deserved.

If we follow Chesters argument, then the Malaysian Constitution which derives from the British Constitution makes us all....British citizens !!

But lets look at this from a discussion point of view.

Lets say i start an adult dating forum, members of my committee form another forum...does that make me founder of that club too? no...

Let's say i form an adult dating forum and it was a matter of time before someone starts it, does that make me founder for all the adult dating forums? no...

I hope to see the day where all BMW enthusiast irregardless of car model or year of make is united under one club banner where we stand united and strong and the envy of all other car clubs.

Is this impossible?

This was my tireless dream since the days of me in the committee.

 

[Hellraiser]

I think most folks who have been around long enough do see some significance of his work with regards to the start of BMWCM. Hence he's sitting in the front VVIP row in one of the BMWCM events. Even in its simpliest form, first committee wouldn't have come together with a medium like a forum to communicate and get to know each other. I guess we have to thank Autoworld also haha cos from there, the first "community" branched out to form bmwclub.com.my.

Bro, Chester was the founder of bmwclub.com.my

He is not the founder of BMWCLUBMALAYSIA.COM

Sitting with the VVIP is just a show of face and a mark of respect or in local term...kasi muka.

By thanking Autoworld, you may want to thank also the founders of BMW without which there will be no Ultimate Driving Machine and you may want to also thank God for giving Henry Ford brains to invent a car without which we will still be driving horse carriages!

 

[Daredevil]

I can't understand why my name is being brought up left right center (in the udmowners' thread) even with regards to matters which happened almost 6 years ago. By virtue of that of my role in the birth of www.bmwclubmalaysia.com, I should also be "founding member" right? But no, I don't seek that recognition at all because ALL the oldtimers played some role. DD being the spearhead, my first protem colleagues such as Fabian etc, and... last but surely not least faithful members such as Jarence, XXX, Albundy etc who continue to serve the Club in one way or another, official or not, doesn't matter, we have the same level of pride in what the Club is today.

JPB, your founding member title is resting behind your secretary title. Once you retire, you'll be an FM. hehehe....

 

[jarance]

I think most folks who have been around long enough do see some significance of his work with regards to the start of BMWCM. Hence he's sitting in the front VVIP row in one of the BMWCM events. Even in its simpliest form, first committee wouldn't have come together with a medium like a forum to communicate and get to know each other. I guess we have to thank Autoworld also haha cos from there, the first "community" branched out to form bmwclub.com.my.

So indirectly, the founder of autoworld is also the co-founder of bmwclub.com.my since most the founders started from there.

I think we also have to appreciate the inventor of WWW as well.. Thanks everybody for your contribution. Without you all, there is no BMW Club Malaysia.

I like to thank the following:-
1. Bill Gate for creating microsoft - without him I will not be able to boot up my computer.
2. TM Net for providing ISP - without them I will not able to access the internet.
3. My company - without them I will not able to access the internet.
4. Al Kenchana, Lotus, Aman Suria, Soul Out and all the FB - for hosting out TT and HH.
5. To Shell, Petronas,Esso, BHP, Caltex and Projet - for providing petrol to drive our car.
6. To all the tyre shop - without them our car cannot moved.
7. All detailer shop and carwash shop - without them our car will not look nice
8. All distributor like AB, Ingress, Sapura, CH - without them we cannot buy BMW.
9. BMW AG - without them we will not have BMW.
10. The people of Germany - without them BMW would not have a place to have their office.
11. Ah Beng, Ah Kow workshop - without them we have no alternative to service our car.
12. Naidu - without him our aircon will blow hot air.
13. Theva - without him we would not have customise fiber glass body kit.
14. Chopshop - without them we would be able to buy cheap spares.
15. Castrol, shell helix, Mobile 1- For the lub to keep our engine going.
16. To all the accessories shop - for providing all the nice performance part and making a profit in return.
17. all the shit stirrer - for making the forum smell shitty.
18. tom, dick, harry, ah kow, ali, muttu - for your contribution.
19. our moderator - for keeping the forum from smelling shitty.
20. Present Committee, past committeee, protem committee, protem committee for IAD, past-past pro tem committee, poser, founder, inventor, creator, destructor, instructor, attention whore-seeker, writer, script writer - all the hard works and contribution
21. parent, uncle, aunty, cousins, grand parent, nephews, nieces, girlfriends, boyfriends, AFF, FB, enemy - without them I cannot exist.

Did I miss anybody? Sorry If I did. It is not intentional. It business and nothing personal.

 

[sithwarrior]

Why is Chester so afraid to come here and take back what he claims is his ? I really didnt appreciate his postings in UDM owners. He needs to be bitch slapped for it. I really hope no animosity has risen betweem UDM Owners and BMWCM. I think both clubs should have a TT and without imposing on each other or trampling on each others visions, everyone should just laugh and be merry. Can I suggest the committee take the first steps in creating harmony between all other car clubs and other BMW car clubs. Lets just all be mates lah. It's a lot more fun.

 

[E46Fanatic]

Bro, Chester was the founder of bmwclub.com.my

He is not the founder of BMWCLUBMALAYSIA.COM

Sitting with the VVIP is just a show of face and a mark of respect or in local term...kasi muka.

I think you dun kasi muka to any tom dick harry, which was my point. His work had significance to BMWCM. Hence freeloaders like me who was there right from the beginning as well wasn't seated in the front row with Chester

 

[chrischy]

Sayang la, I read the thread in UDMO and had a good laugh! But the thread was locked before I can say anything. Why is he bringing up all those past? Just because he wanted to be recognised as a"Founding Member"? What is his intention of doing that? To get recognition is just on the surface, what does he really want? A pat in shoulder, a well done greet, to get back at others, then I think that is not nice.

If he wants to be remembered as the Founding member, can I claim to be the Founding Founder of the Founding Members? After all I was the earlier person who has contacted BMW Club International Council. What for? I am happy just to be able to contribute to a community who enjoys the same passion for BMW cars. What I get from it is the wonderful friendship and knowledge I gain from you guys. There are more new members who had contributed more than me now, in the BMW Club Malaysia. Why don't we recognise them too?

If Chester wants the glory, then rightly it is the credit of a collective members who had made it a reality, it was never a 1 man effort. Give credit where credit is due, I will recognise Chester as the person who has contributed a forum platform to kick start this community, because BMW Club International Council had laid down certain conditions in order for them to grant us the official use of the BMW logo and to be recognised as the official BMW Club under their umbrella. So, initially we have to garner enough membership in order to convince BCIC that we have the members to form a club. Then only we can form legally a club under ROS.

I was glad to be mentioned in the forum as one of the contributing member, but whether the club wants to recognise me as one of the founding member, it is entirely up to the club committee, but to be called a member, I am also happy. My philosophy in life is this, it doesn't matter what your title is, people will know who contributes what at the end.

As for the 'siew pau' advertisement in the forum. Here's the condition laid by BCIC, we are given the free rights to use the BMW logo, and form our own club logo with the roundel, comes with a heavy responsibility. BMW protects their logo and brand name fiercely because the brand is the one that market the cars as a high performance premium quality vehicles, that does not compromise on quality. And BCIC clearly spells out those conditions in their letter saying that the club should be used for commercial means other than for the benefits of the club and club member. It is not a profitable organisation but a profitable club to benefit the members. Whether it is advertisement or not, they have to be governed by the rules and regulations spelled out by BCIC. Anything that contravenes their branding policy will be asked to be removed, otherwise the club logo and BMW logo and the official title will be asked to be removed. They even have the right to take legal action on the club if those privilege is found to abused. Remember, it is a privilege given by BMW, that's why the club is able to print a limitless number of t-shirts and merchandizes for its club and members. But we must comply to their policy. How can we accept a 'siew pau' advertisement? If the forum is owned by Chester, fine, that is his right, and the money goes to him, but that kind of decision will not be allowed because BMW Malaysia is constantly monitoring the club activities to safeguard the brand name of BMW. Furthermore, that moment, it was the 'proving' moment for us to start a new club, how can we make such a silly mistake in putting one of those ad in?

I am not asking for a fight but just putting my point of view as Chrischy sees it. I see a collective group of members (including Chester) to play a part in forming this club. But since he didn't comply with the club policy, and the rest of the founding members formed a new site, it is technically entirely new apart from Chester's defunct forum. He can be the founding member of bmwclub.com.my but I don't think he can rightly claim as a founding member in BMWclubmalaysia.com

Can you imagine if he continues to be the 'Founding member' in our official club with a single person's decision making process? You will likely to get a legal letter with an injunction from the court to stop all privileges given. So you can be founding member, granted but are you leaving a legacy in this club or a load of issues? So, better to form a new club than to re-educate. The club belongs to the members, not an individual. Presidents come and go. That's life. There are so many US presidents that I don't even bother to remember, I just want the current one to learn all the mistakes and not to repeat them and run the country and the world wisely.

So Chester if you are reading this, nothing personal, just want to put things in my perspective, so that the history doesn't get 'rewritten' like in the school text books.

Just my 2 cents.

chrischy