Speed Trap System - live in August 2012!

[zun]

Ya..dont let the system kill our joy of driving udm. In the mean time, lets pray hard the system will fail.

 

[azmany72]

...tranlate "speeds kills" hehehe...

Speed kills ... your wallet.

 

[dzuljazz2001]

Bro, i thought this is PFI project? Hence no public fund involved.

BASIC ELEMENTS OF A PFI PROJECT.

........., the four key elements of PFI are highlighted as under:

 Design – The private company does the architectural and engineering work
involved in designing the public facility;
 Build – The facility is built by private contractor;
 Finance – The private sector has to borrow the money at higher interest rates and
then change what is in effect a rental to the public sector; and
 Operate – Most public services are operated by public sector staff, who are
trained to deliver the service effectively to the public. Under PFI the private
contractor could operate the services including employing staff direct

You sure its under PFI bro zun? Even so,.... at the end of the day, there will be cost that is passed over somewhere and the public will feel the pinch ....

 

[dzuljazz2001]

It is a sad state when people make a ruckus over the fact that they cant break the speed limit...

With all due respect bro Chrix, its not actually abt making a ruckus of such nature :4:..

Basically I am voicing my thoughts on the government effort about "creating awareness of road safety".
Speeds Kills and I agree with that but to install hundreds of cameras to achieve that objective!(creating awareness) , I believe the authorities has not been quite accurate on that.

I had paid most of my fines bro for speeding (still a few more pending), no second thoughts, doubts or denial on that and I have only myself to blame. Even had to pay fine for going at 71kph on a 60kmh speed zone ( and its a 3 lane highway :4 ...

I hope the authorities will take note that nothing beats one physical presence (of a traffic cop on site) to create awareness and not thousands of ringgit worth of cameras to do it :4:.

 

[astroboy]

Awaiting for garmin's POI update to hopefully cover all the 831 spots.. :105:

... so I dun have to "fund" the project.. :4:

 

[dzuljazz2001]

Awaiting for garmin's POI update to hopefully cover all the 831 spots.. :105:

... so I dun have to "fund" the project.. :4:

see what I mean :4: ... put what you want to put and you still have people doing and hoping for all sorts of things to counter that .....

 

[gendong]

Current penalty for speeding is set at RM300. There's a proposal to revise the penalty to a maximum of RM2000, means you COULD be paying upwards to RM2000 (or any figure less than that) for a speeding ticket. But for now, no final decision has been made.

Then there is this PFI thingie......

In my line of work, 'value-added service(s)' warrants me to revise my pricing. May this be the case?

 

[astroboy]

My problem with GPS POI alarm is it triggers too late i.e. 1km before the registered spot. Depending on the speed I'm travelling, sometime I need more than 1km of released-pedal-cruising to bring the speed down to 120kph.. unless I tekan brek.. :62:

 

[zun]

BASIC ELEMENTS OF A PFI PROJECT.

........., the four key elements of PFI are highlighted as under:

 Design – The private company does the architectural and engineering work
involved in designing the public facility;
 Build – The facility is built by private contractor;
 Finance – The private sector has to borrow the money at higher interest rates and
then change what is in effect a rental to the public sector; and
 Operate – Most public services are operated by public sector staff, who are
trained to deliver the service effectively to the public. Under PFI the private
contractor could operate the services including employing staff direct

You sure its under PFI bro zun? Even so,.... at the end of the day, there will be cost that is passed over somewhere and the public will feel the pinch ....

I may used the wrong term, i.e PFI. My apologies. Maybe we can call it turnkey project? Since they build, operate and transfer it to govt later.

According to this link: both companies funded the project/systems. Please read.. http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/in-the-financial-daily/211864-aes-project-to-begin-in-june.html

 

[zun]

Awaiting for garmin's POI update to hopefully cover all the 831 spots.. :105:

... so I dun have to "fund" the project.. :4:

U make sense there.

 

[tIANcI]

Looks like another "blunder after another" ... One wonders when will they realized that installing all those expensive gadgets will not reduced road fatalities. What it will do is only waste the public funds and make rich the few. Physical presence will be more than effective than any camera anytime of the day.

Dzul ... the capital is not from the public, so they say. The companies will have to bear that burden. The recovery of the moneys is based on a % of fines paid. I believe its time this is implemented. Remember in the old days we say Singapore everything also fine? Look at them now. Scared to be fined so they behave so well. Along the NSH itself we have 800 kms of highway itself. How to police it all the way, day and night. Hell of a lot of people will speed at night and we all have seen it. Let the fine roll ... then we shall see. Maybe, its time we just have to accept the fact that we need to slow down? That is what the law lays down and we just have to adhere now. If we kena then its just too bad.

 

[JFT63]

You got iswara? I taught all ur car is min 2 liter above?

am glad u are back in the forum..i also got 1.3 and 0.1cc vtec kecil at home..

This festive season prompts me that i must learn to be light footer now..

 

[namidub]

Daylight robbery i must say! Even as we speak,there are a lot of unnecessary roadblocks and speedtrap are going under way.for an example,my friend's INNOVA (yeah u read that right) was fined twice from 3 roadblocks because was caught 'speeding' at 92kmh on a 80kmh road at 2am on a weekday.this was all within half an hour from Gombak toll plaza,MRR2 towarda Nilai.ive got some speeding tickets within an interval of 15 mins last couple of weeks too.
Imagine when this AES starts,speeding tickets will be like spam in your inboxes!

 

[dzuljazz2001]

I may used the wrong term, i.e PFI. My apologies. Maybe we can call it turnkey project? Since they build, operate and transfer it to govt later.

According to this link: both companies funded the project/systems. Please read.. http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/in-the-financial-daily/211864-aes-project-to-begin-in-june.html

Precisely what I mean bro. How can the RTD believe that this is free. We the public will be pinched and since that will be the only sourced of (ROI) for the two contractors, even if you exceed by 1kmh, you will sure to be fined :4:....

Frankly I am not strictly emphasising on the cost but rather on the issue of "creating awareness" to the public that "speed kills". Speeding is such a subjective issue here but as a law abiding citizen, we pay for breaking the law and I hv no issue with that but what good will it do if "implementation" is so much to be desired :frown:

 

[dzuljazz2001]

Dzul ... the capital is not from the public, so they say. The companies will have to bear that burden. The recovery of the moneys is based on a % of fines paid. I believe its time this is implemented. Remember in the old days we say Singapore everything also fine? Look at them now. Scared to be fined so they behave so well. Along the NSH itself we have 800 kms of highway itself. How to police it all the way, day and night. Hell of a lot of people will speed at night and we all have seen it. Let the fine roll ... then we shall see. Maybe, its time we just have to accept the fact that we need to slow down? That is what the law lays down and we just have to adhere now. If we kena then its just too bad.

... and where does the money for the contractors that foot the cost to install all those things comes from :4:? What has been stated very clearly that half of the revenue (it was quoted as revenue, gosh!) from the fines will be distributed to them. Do you think that will cover the total cost (800 million) of this project? Now who in the right frame of mind would do a million ringgit project without a clear ROI plotted?

I agree with your argument that we should let the fine roll but is that the primary objective of "creating awareness to reduce/eliminate fatal road incident/accident? Honestly, the current system that we have is already good enough but due to the very poor implementation, which is so very much to be desired, the primary objective fails.

Personally (my thoughts alone) I believe the AES will fail if the mindset of every Malaysian (the Public and the Authorities alike) does not want to see changes happens. The change to the public that you need to abide by the exisiting law and that as the authorities too, dont just punished but educate and create that awareness :frown:..

 

[tIANcI]

dzul ... I believe the PDRM has done more than enough to reiterate the fact that speed kills. The displays at malls ... the ads on TV ... the ads in newspapers. I seen them all, we all have seen them all. Despite this, it still happens.

Where the contractors get their money is not our call. Unless, they borrow from the Gov and pay say a 2% p.a. Whether there is ROI is not our call too. That is their problem. Frankly, AES contractors have done their math, hence the 3 tier sharing arrangement was arrived at. They know how many summonses have been issued and how many pay up. Also, with AES no more duit kopi la ... less contact between officers and motorists. That is one of the reasons why more and more Gov transactions are going online. Its the same basis, less human contact, less corruption.

BUT what you miss out on is this ... they are only facilitating in obtaining EVIDENCE of speeding. That is all. It is then passed to the PDRM to issue a summons. IF ... IF ... the PDRM will issue a summons for merely exceeding the speed limit by 1 km/h then let's see what the fine will be? If they are trying to feed AES then just go to court, plead guilty and mitigate. Might be a mere RM50 fine only. Who knows? Again, I doubt that the courts will pay out moneys to AES as court money, belongs to the courts. Fines for traffic offences in courts do not go back to PDRM.

Since max fine at the moment is RM300, then all summonses we appear in court, plead guilty and pay there. AES contractors may kantoi la. How's that?

 

[mizhan]

i have a feeling this project will not succeed for political reasons.

 

[Joshua Spidey]

i have a feeling this project will not succeed for political reasons.

I second that bro

 

[BaddBoyz3]

Anyone tried these before? :4:

http://www.ghostplates.com/

 

[azmany72]

Anyone tried these before? :4:

http://www.ghostplates.com/

Alamak. No super protector in our plate size. :motz: