Maser Quattroporte kills M5 & B5
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WJ,
My comments were not as a personal attack or anything like that. Its actually based on sad realities of the pride and ego's that go behind each post... Like what I said before, all are guilty, and if you look behind each person's motives for their aguments you will comprehend a lot more than just reading what they write.. something primary school comprehension didnt teach of course ..lol
Its also quite typical that when technical merit comparisons are exhausted, justification suddenly turns around and now technical merits of cars are dilluted and its the driver that matters... usually posted by folks who do not own cars with the technical merits being discussed in the frist place.. Again this is not a personal attack, just a sad and predictable reality. Look back at thread history to see what I am talking about.
My comments were not as a personal attack or anything like that. Its actually based on sad realities of the pride and ego's that go behind each post... Like what I said before, all are guilty, and if you look behind each person's motives for their aguments you will comprehend a lot more than just reading what they write.. something primary school comprehension didnt teach of course ..lol
Its also quite typical that when technical merit comparisons are exhausted, justification suddenly turns around and now technical merits of cars are dilluted and its the driver that matters... usually posted by folks who do not own cars with the technical merits being discussed in the frist place.. Again this is not a personal attack, just a sad and predictable reality. Look back at thread history to see what I am talking about.
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Dude,
You were quoting my postings and how am I suppose to interprete that? Anyway, we school chums are cool.
You were quoting my postings and how am I suppose to interprete that? Anyway, we school chums are cool.
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Heh sorry my bad... As always.. BBBS forever hahaha
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Did you go for the school reunion in Sept? I just found out.
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It's not.
50/50 weight distribution is actually not the ideal distribution for a front engined, rear driven car.
But it sure does read damn good in a brochure, and seduces the hell outta ignorant buyers/braggers.
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Hmmm, what a partisan crowd!
But then again, this IS a BMW forum.
What I don't get, is how people are willing to defend to the death, "principals" like 50:50 weight distribution, when they have only on-paper knowledge of the "advantages" of such, and how people are so quick to question and condemn the results of the e60 M5 vs. Maserati Quattroporte when they have neither driven, or more likely, seen either of them.
This boils down to the great confidence game that big coporations play upon us all. We've all spent a nice chunk of change on our cars, we all like to think we made the right choice, no one likes to be called, or be proven as, stupid.
With the vast model range that BMW has, I think it's time people woke up to the fact that it is impossible for every model to be good. They're not. In fact, at the end of the day, the models that sell the best tend to be the worst of the lot. These models are the affordable models, the ones which the halo models' (ie. the "M"s) light shines brightest upon. The ones whose lack of engine power, lack of proper suspension tuning, conspire together to never expose the frailities of the chassis. Regardless of the driver within.
BMW is in the business to make money. In the process, they make cars. Do not even be deceived for one moment that the engineers call the shots. That era ended long before most of us were born. BMWs sell well, and they make alot of money, yes, but don't, also, for one moment think that is because they make a superior DRIVING product. They sell well because they appeal to the lowest common denominator- average joe, and average joe doesn't know much about vehicle dynamics, nor does he care. His choice does not reflect anything.
There are only 2 car brands in the world, today, who still adhere to solid engineering as a basis for their cars, and they are Subaru and Porsche. Though Porsche may have sullied itself with the Cayenne.
No prizes for guessing what car I'll be getting next, eh?
So for all you "driving pleasure" BMW partisans, please, get your head outta BMWs ass, look around you, and make an informed choice the next time you purchase a car that you're going to claim to be the "ultimate driving machine".
But then again, this IS a BMW forum.
What I don't get, is how people are willing to defend to the death, "principals" like 50:50 weight distribution, when they have only on-paper knowledge of the "advantages" of such, and how people are so quick to question and condemn the results of the e60 M5 vs. Maserati Quattroporte when they have neither driven, or more likely, seen either of them.
This boils down to the great confidence game that big coporations play upon us all. We've all spent a nice chunk of change on our cars, we all like to think we made the right choice, no one likes to be called, or be proven as, stupid.
With the vast model range that BMW has, I think it's time people woke up to the fact that it is impossible for every model to be good. They're not. In fact, at the end of the day, the models that sell the best tend to be the worst of the lot. These models are the affordable models, the ones which the halo models' (ie. the "M"s) light shines brightest upon. The ones whose lack of engine power, lack of proper suspension tuning, conspire together to never expose the frailities of the chassis. Regardless of the driver within.
BMW is in the business to make money. In the process, they make cars. Do not even be deceived for one moment that the engineers call the shots. That era ended long before most of us were born. BMWs sell well, and they make alot of money, yes, but don't, also, for one moment think that is because they make a superior DRIVING product. They sell well because they appeal to the lowest common denominator- average joe, and average joe doesn't know much about vehicle dynamics, nor does he care. His choice does not reflect anything.
There are only 2 car brands in the world, today, who still adhere to solid engineering as a basis for their cars, and they are Subaru and Porsche. Though Porsche may have sullied itself with the Cayenne.
No prizes for guessing what car I'll be getting next, eh?
So for all you "driving pleasure" BMW partisans, please, get your head outta BMWs ass, look around you, and make an informed choice the next time you purchase a car that you're going to claim to be the "ultimate driving machine".
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so necc,upgrading huh????
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or "downgrading", depending on your point of view, really!
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my understanding from ur earlier post.. upgrade = porsche, downgrade = subaru.. maybe i'm wrong,dunno!!
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Can you please enlighten us with technical facts supporting your statement? References and links will be good as well.
Else its just heresay...or pot shots in the dark..
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Sh!t! Just stumbled on this thread. Finally something i can read in this forum!
WJ
Why no include my MCS or 320i. My car not worthy izzit!
WJ
Why no include my MCS or 320i. My car not worthy izzit!
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To be honest all these reviews by various mags boils to one thing, entertainment for mere mortals like us who cant afford an exotic car!
The other thing is this, if you are given two cars to drive on the track, say a Porsche GT2 Turbo and an e46 M3 CSL, which car do you think you will do better lap times? The answer is, unless you are an experienced driver and good enough to tame the beast (GT2), you would probably do better in a M3.
My 2 cents
The other thing is this, if you are given two cars to drive on the track, say a Porsche GT2 Turbo and an e46 M3 CSL, which car do you think you will do better lap times? The answer is, unless you are an experienced driver and good enough to tame the beast (GT2), you would probably do better in a M3.
My 2 cents
