E90 323i, 325i M Sport & my E46325i

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Hi Guys, year end is quiet. So let me write something here. I have tested a 325 M sport before, but that was after couple of months owing my E46 325i. I think I wasn’t able to feel too much of difference that time. I bought my car from AB’s PS with one year warranty at super low mileage 35k km only, never the less, superb condition, inside out. I grabbed the car 4hrs after it was handover to AB from the owner on a Friday 6pm. I have to thank the previous owner who really took good care of the car. In this one year, I fixed the car engine oil leak, cooling coil, side view mirror motor, ignition coil, rear differential oil leak, fan belt & pulley, all under warranty. I changed the power steering hose assy, expansion tank, 4pcs of B4 absorbers with my own money. Regardless of such a good condition car approved by BMW, problems will surface in the first 12mths of ownership, especially on an older car, regardless of mileage. I am glad I got covered by the warranty. I try to extend that with the best I could, servicing my car every 4mths, regardless of mileage(normally around 7-8k km). Sent it for Teflon coating, washing car myself every week. I just love this car! :rock:Still, being a busy body, trying to find out how different is this care with E90.Now after 1.5yrs+ driving it every day, here & there, point A to C then only to B, detour, or purposely go out for a drive to KLIA but not picking up anyone, I think I know the character of the car better.I had chance to drive my friends E90 320i for a couple of days sometime back, I also went for another test drive on 325 M sport & 323i last weekend. Below are my findings of their behavior in corners, roundabout, interchange. (Gadgets is secondary to me, so I don’t bother to find out yet) Not sure if you guys are feeling the same? Or anything to share? E46 325i : Nose dive is there due to soft suspension for comfort, I must either go in with a good line & timing. Or else the the body will “lean”(it will hold though, but just don’t feel nice loh) but I could use the gas pedal & give a slight push from the tail to offset the nose dive a bit depending on the speed I am going. I can feel the tail working very very easily on this car. It could be slower, but the fun factor is there.E90 325i M sport : Rock steady suspension! Just sweet in corner, so solid! :rock: No extra or unnecessary movement at all! Just like a very well trained athlete. (My car sounds like a sportsman with a bit of tummy) I gotta become a Kamikaze pilot to make it go wrong. So solid & steady, until after some driving, I found there’s no nose dive(may be I am not fast enough), body lean, I can’t play with the gas pedal to offset it. I know the limit of the car is high, I didn’t look at the meter, but it’s fast, real fast in the corners. Doing all those gimmicks in the corner actually mean the limit of my car is lower, I know, but the process seems less fun because it’s so solid & rock steady even my timing is late or line is not that good. hehehe…Under normal speed, I would say the suspension is not stiff to my standard, acceptable. Only after 140km/hr, those who sit in the back will have a hard time.This in line 6 is more quiet then my M54. Somewhat I like the M54 roar has it’s character…I have to step a bit harder for it to response. My E46, even a light tap on pedal, it response according to my input.Not going to touch on the engine performance, everyone knows about it.Guess just have to get use & embrace it.E90 323i : Very good suspension regardless of a stock suspension. So much more better than an E46 stock. I test drove this right after the 325i M sport, same route. I would say it has about 85% of what M sport is offering(to my standard lah). Very minimum nose dive or body leaning, can feel the tail a little bit. Not bad at all in terms of handling.Though same engine, but it’s quite different. Torque & horses are less even compare with E46 325i but with a closer gear ratio I guess they are almost the same. However, the engine note is a bit different. A bit lack of umph leh. It doesn’t give me a very good music…Still, it’s good enough for a lot of ppl. Not bad at all.I am waiting for the sales to inform when 320d is coming in so that I can test drive to see how different is it. Getting itchy… Let’s see what choice do I have. hehehe…:wink:The short listing & selecting process is always fun.
 
Excellent write-up :top: It'll be interesting to see what you think of 320d ... :D
 
A great comparison, i was having a dilemma. Thinking of selling my E46 325i & get a E90 330i or even 335i (i prefer 4 doors). Was asking the bros and sifus but none replied to my thread. Ur experience with this two models helps, just wat i was hoping for. Thanks
 
lawsarus;588052 said:
A great comparison, i was having a dilemma. Thinking of selling my E46 325i & get a E90 330i or even 335i (i prefer 4 doors). Was asking the bros and sifus but none replied to my thread. Ur experience with this two models helps, just wat i was hoping for. Thanks

Hei Lawsarus, if budget is allowed, of course 335i lah but beware of the turbo. Donno how true is it, the diesel turbo in UK also seems quite expensive to fix. Anyway, even our NA enginer also go so much of issue, what's that? hehe...

Go test drive kau kau, think it thru. Good luck!
 
B33mEr;588042 said:
Excellent write-up :top: It'll be interesting to see what you think of 320d ... :D

Thanks B33mEr. I think the 320d M sport suspension will be as good either. It's just that I have never own diesel car before, want to know how different it behave. Of course FC lah, fuel cost everything is good, no problem for me to have a diesel car.

My only concern is I am not sure if I will miss an in line 6 enginer roar. I am so addcited to it... even idling, even at the moment we start the engine. it's like tell me that, "Bro, I am in action again!" Needless to say when the rpm needle pass 4500rpm... He is singing!

Another thing is that buying a car without an i-drive nowadays seems a bit wierd to me...

Well, we will see. Will let you guys know after my test drive on 320d.
 
Vroom325;588086 said:
Thanks B33mEr. I think the 320d M sport suspension will be as good either. It's just that I have never own diesel car before, want to know how different it behave. Of course FC lah, fuel cost everything is good, no problem for me to have a diesel car.

My only concern is I am not sure if I will miss an in line 6 enginer roar. I am so addcited to it... even idling, even at the moment we start the engine. it's like tell me that, "Bro, I am in action again!" Needless to say when the rpm needle pass 4500rpm... He is singing!

Another thing is that buying a car without an i-drive nowadays seems a bit wierd to me...

Well, we will see. Will let you guys know after my test drive on 320d.


Yup for aural pleasure it's hard to beat a straight six ... but i suspect you will find the torque delivery of the 320d will be equally addictive as well hehehe
 
OhOh... So torquey till u can let go of d straight 6 music?
Have u test drove? How do u feel?

I wonder why is it 17" on 320d?
 
Vroom325;588121 said:
OhOh... So torquey till u can let go of d straight 6 music?
Have u test drove? How do u feel?

I wonder why is it 17" on 320d?

Haven't had the chance to test it but i've played quite a few of them on the highways ... It really pulls especially from 80-150 km/h
 
Dat's a very impressive. Especially to hear from a 330 owner abt how a 320d pull away..
80-150km is a very useful range. Enuf for everyday usage.
Show has just begun from 160km on my 325, but I have to admit I don drive dat fast al d time.
Let me test drive and find out more.
 
Hi Guys, Happy New Year! I have test drove the 320d performance package.

It’s a car full of torque, step on the gas & it takes off like all of the 320d owners said.
I won’t need to mention about the handling. U guys know it’s good. It won’t go wrong with M sport. It’s SWEET.
Probably the tyre profile is higher since it’s 17” vs 18” on a 325i M sport, I don’t feel the shock from the suspension or may be the feedback from the road coming in that sharp like a 18”, but totally no problem at all.(I like it sharp but probably this is a more comfortable ride)

Another thing is that when cornering, we always work on the gas, the NA in line6 give us precisely according to my input on the pedal. However, with turbo it’s a little difficult for me. Becareful not to step on it too hard, the turbo kicks in… it’s too much power… Well, according to RCBL, who’s kind enough to explain to me that it’s just a matter of getting use to the footwork. After that, it will response just as usual like our NA. Also, probably the car still hasn’t adapt to my driving style. Well, if a normal driver like me can feel it, how cannot a BMW engineer or test driver not notice that & take care of it?

Come to the clattering sound. It will take some time for an inline6 owner to get use to. Once you’ve accepted the fact & use to it, I guess it’s ok? I think diesel is the trend and we have to accept it. It give us power & economy, the only trade off it to accept the clattering sound. We also need a better diesel quality. I remember when I was in my colleague’s car in Germany last Nov, I never notice that it's a diesel car for nearly 80km ride. Until he wind down the window, I find it suspicious and look at the RPM meter which has lower reading then only I could make sure. There’s no vibration, noise. I consider myself a sensitive person on car, and this is impressive… With better diesel quality, I guess it will make diesel and easy choice.

However, the refinement and the engine roar of an inline6 something can’t be ignored. NA engine has it’s beauty too. The more I drive my 6.5yrs old E46 325i, the more I love it.

So, probably I will wait for another year or so, as my car is still in a very very good condition and I think I want to enjoy it more as of now. I just don't won't how long I can hold myself... hehehe....

The ultimate question is still a 320d or 325i?(Since both are M sport, I will not mention that)
 
Yeah Vroom325; since you are still undecided......better to wait till end 2012/early2013 when the new F30 arrives here in Malaysia....it's already at its end-of-life cycle, the E90.
 
E90 323i, 325i M sport, 320d & my E46 325i

Hi Docrayboy, thanks for you advise.

I have seen the photo of F30(though it's may not be the finalized version), the body line is further enhanced & look even more muscular, I like it but not the nose, very much like a F10... I can still see the linkage of E90 & F30, unlike E46 & E90, which is a huge transformation.

Also, because I have been changing cars every 2-3yrs(has been with Jap makes), I have developed a believe of going for a used car but must be from premium selection or pre-registered lah. No point for me to burn all the money as I am a salaried person... I don't mind taking the previous model too, because end of model life BMWs are debug & give less trouble, also fully loaded too. It's safer.

Well, we will see...:wink:
 
....exactly what I was actually hinting at Vroom325. Life is not about waiting another 2 or 3 years, it's still 2 or 3 years of life forever gone! i just got back from holiday..drove a Honda Civic 1.8L along the Great Ocean Drive..it's a good car...just not a great car. Got into the 320d the moment I got back, and driving it brings instant smiles to the face, you know what I mean, don't you?-you tested it recently.
 
Vroom325;594507 said:
....I don't mind taking the previous model too, because end of model life BMWs are debug & give less trouble, also fully loaded too. It's safer.

Well, we will see...:wink:

Hi Vroom325, this is spot on mate. For BMW's, the LCI models are always the better ones as they have already fixed most of the known issues, facelift it for the finishing touch and for our market in M'sia, they will usually fully load it with the options. So you really get the best of what the particular model has to offer. For instance, when the E60 was reaching its end, prior to F10 launching, they threw in 19 inch "super garang" alloys, two tone leather, special unique colours such as the ala coal black (can't remember the name), sun/moonroof, etc. So in short, buying a pre-reg or from premium selection for a nearing the end of the life cycle is always a good choice. The only thing is, we need to be able to live with the current model for another couple 4-5yrs before the next LCI for the F30 comes in... :)
 
M3ac. Yup, my friend just got one of the E60 you've mentioned. I know what you are trying to point out.

My E46 is also fully loaded.(at that time) So i don't really see much difference vs the E90(especially pre-facelift) except the i-drive.

No problem staying with a previous model car as the value of money is being utilized to the max. as I am a salaried person. Pocket not deep enough...:rolleyes:
 
docrayboy, yup, agree with you, we only live once, doing it now & later is different.
Still, I also have to watch my pocket... Have to balance up. Thanks!
 
The fuel savings you get from driving a diesel engine will mean extra bucks in your pockets and your salary will go a longer way, bro!
 
Vroom325;594739 said:
M3ac. Yup, my friend just got one of the E60 you've mentioned. I know what you are trying to point out.

My E46 is also fully loaded.(at that time) So i don't really see much difference vs the E90(especially pre-facelift) except the i-drive.

No problem staying with a previous model car as the value of money is being utilized to the max. as I am a salaried person. Pocket not deep enough...:rolleyes:

Yes sure, we take one step at a time and weigh all your options and get the best deal within your budget, thats the best choice. Good on ya mate! :)
 
Thanks bro! With all those inflation these days, our salary can't catch up at all. Gotta spend it wisely, right? hehe...
 
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