custom supercharger project, advise needed...

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Hi and good day to all,:rolleyes: :D My story begins……So after a lot of time spend to revive my BMW e30, the car is finally up and running (Special thanks to the club members). My e30 model is a 316 registered in 1984; the standard engine was an M10 four cylinder engine with a capacity of 1.8L and uses carburetor fuel system. However somewhere back in 1995 the engine was changed with an M40B18, four cylinders SOHC engine that uses bosch motronic 1.3 fuel injector.On paper, the engine should produce around 112 horsepower and 134 Nm of torque; this is ample amount of power to pull the lightweight e30 316 body (2300lbs) with ease and fun. However, being the man that I am and almost all of us are, ample simply translate to “not enough”. After a lot of reading, and searching and reading… and some more reading… here are my options:1- Fabricate a turbocharger kit, use turbine from Japan engine, and fabricate a log manifold, custom piping, and intercooler.2- Install a supercharger, maybe a custom kit?3- Upgrade to a better engine, the most common conversion that I found people do (online) is convert to m50 engine either 2.0L or 2.5L version. If I am going to do this I would go for the 2.0L because of the cheaper road tax. Huhu…Problem is, a turbocharger kit would cost no less then Rm3000 (rough guess). I mean, A used turbo unit would cost rm500, the custom exhaust manifold around 1k, and add the cost of all piping, injectors, intercooler, mounts, BOV, piggybank ecu, etc2, the cost would be almost the same as an engine transplant, to me that is to much money for something that’s ‘just for fun’.Supercharging is a different story, I read that the Toyota SC12 supercharger, from 4age engine has been used to increase the power output of many engine, with little or no modification to the engine itself. I have read that an M20 engine boosted to about 8psi using the standard ecu, engine internal, etc2, and the owner said the car have been reliable.Well, I have this person who wants to sell his SC12 supercharger complete with crank pulley, intercooler and all the hose for RM400, I am thinking about buying it and fit it to my M40, now that would be a fun project don’t u think? Wonder if it will work.Here’s the plan, measure and custom made the mount for the supercharger, make sure the Supercharger align correctly with crank pulley. Then re route the air from the supercharger to the throttle body, maybe install a boost meter. I am thinking about low boost like 5psi max. Well, what does u think? Will it work? What will the power output be like? All the BMW expert out there please advice. Does anyone know…..?1- How is the correct air flow for the Supercharger? is ( air filter – supercharger – intercooler – AFM – throttle body – Intake manifold )… correct?2- What is the original standard fuel pump capacity in lb/hour?3- What is the standard injector volume in cc?4- Where and how to fit the boost meter?5- What else will the setup need?Thanks in advance.:D
 
ahh..the same situation as me.searching for more..but goin more on handling..looking for suitable lsd to do some slide2..baru kacak!:D (handsome):cool:
well..waiting for any sifu out there comment about this..quite interesting project;)
 
well the supercharger route would be the cheapest way in your situation.

You have some custom fabrication required but I think its viable.
 
do not SC your engine.. turbo it.. much better power gains..the M40 engine is 8.8CR with that, on turbo you can go to 0.8bar boost and the correct plumbing and ecu piggy back tuning will see you 240hp's at the crank..that's 200+ at the wheels..as for the SC, you will run out of HP and torque at the higher rpm..

got more money ? then NA with M50B25TU.. best, relieable,FC, smooth and torquey with 192hps at the crank..

pssst.. can take on a e46 325 to 240km/h..

your turn..
 
:cool: why shouldnt i supercharge? i read that supercharger is much2 better than turbocharger at lower RPM speed due to the fact that turbo lag doesnt occur in supercharger setup. in other words, if u use turbocharge then the car wouldnt be fun to drive for those short zero to hundred sprint at the traffic light, dont u agree? anyway, can u please list the parts needed to safely run a supercharge or turbocharge setup, what type of larger injector can be used? fuel pump? as for piggyback ecu, where can i get it? or maybe the original bosch motronic ecu can be reprogram to work with the supercharger?

btw, iam buying the supercharger anyway due to the fact that it is sooo cheap. huhu.... if it doesnt work, i can simply resell it.:cool:
 
Back in the 80s ,when BMW in Germany ,they hire enginneer to built engine. Imagine the time spent on R&D on every engine they designed.:)

Do you think you are able to bolt on turbo/supercharger on engine better then them. haha....:D

Stick to Pussy advise.:cool:

believe me dude...I eat BMW engine for fun. I've blown 2 in one month. 2 auto tranny....3 gearbox. Engine....??? er?? I think more then 3!:cool:

Now trying to get back to stock....:rolleyes:

If I want turbo/supercharger... I'll go JDM.;)
 
Even if you Do succesfully installed one...the moolah spent is still worth it?
 
E30 newbie;210591 said:
:cool: why shouldnt i supercharge? i read that supercharger is much2 better than turbocharger at lower RPM speed due to the fact that turbo lag doesnt occur in supercharger setup. in other words, if u use turbocharge then the car wouldnt be fun to drive for those short zero to hundred sprint at the traffic light, dont u agree? anyway, can u please list the parts needed to safely run a supercharge or turbocharge setup, what type of larger injector can be used? fuel pump? as for piggyback ecu, where can i get it? or maybe the original bosch motronic ecu can be reprogram to work with the supercharger?

btw, iam buying the supercharger anyway due to the fact that it is sooo cheap. huhu.... if it doesnt work, i can simply resell it.:cool:


please do some research.. most of the after market tuner for this m40 engines never did a sc only turbo's.. example mosselman turbo system.. only the M42 engine in USA has the alanta SC.. that's roots charger..

as for the lag, proper turbine should be match, then you will have less lag.
chears:)
 
hehe..
well pussy has spoken...
bro,listen 2 pussy n zoggey advise..

i've been in pussy car..nice maa...
power..

ok lah...
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chaow....
 
cost

how much the cost to buy a M50B25TU engine? the engine from what model and year?Is it that engine can get 192hps at the crank? its good power for NA engine...im asking this becouse i wanna make some modification to my E46 318i and still searching the best way to modified without any problems...in united kingdom ( refers to my experience living here) most of them do modification with their 3 series where changing their engine ( SOHC 1.8l ) to M5 M-power 6 cylinder..i dont know how much the hp can produce but i can feel it should be powerfull...im using a turbo car before this and it makes me crazy to maintain it...i just wanna stick to BMW engine rather than change to japan's engine such as SR20 or RB20 det just like "outiside" people likes to do with their Bimmers machine...

Im still newbie in this bimmer so hopefully somebody can guide me....thanks...
 
hey, Yazed.. found for you a hartge rims.. and blizter is selling his..

regards.
 
E30 newbie;210591 said:
:cool: why shouldnt i supercharge? i read that supercharger is much2 better than turbocharger at lower RPM speed due to the fact that turbo lag doesnt occur in supercharger setup. in other words, if u use turbocharge then the car wouldnt be fun to drive for those short zero to hundred sprint at the traffic light, dont u agree? anyway, can u please list the parts needed to safely run a supercharge or turbocharge setup, what type of larger injector can be used? fuel pump? as for piggyback ecu, where can i get it? or maybe the original bosch motronic ecu can be reprogram to work with the supercharger?

btw, iam buying the supercharger anyway due to the fact that it is sooo cheap. huhu.... if it doesnt work, i can simply resell it.:cool:

Its no longer true that supercharger is better than a turbo charged system. Thats probably true in the 90s.

The problem with Supercharger is, you only reach maximum boost when you are redlining the engine, ie; 6500-7000rpm. And then you have to upshift and that means ---> less fun. Not forgetting, its not advisable to rev a forced induction car above 6000rpm especially with a Bolt on System to a NA engine.

Modern turbo turbines have little lag, most importantly is to size it up correctly and have the mapping done by an expert. Then there will be very little lag and you can get maximum boost at 3000rpm or below....yes pleasure all the way till kingdom comes! Only thing about turbo system, is to manage the heat generated properly with proper oil cooler and radiator. (Depending on what boost you plan to run)

My advice is only this, if you have a tight budget then dont do it. There will be obstacles along the way and plenty of $$$ needed to solve the problems. If you really want to supercharge your 4 pot, Downing Atlanta makes a nice supercharger kit for your engine. All for USD 3395 :)
 
ALBundy;210855 said:
.....If you really want to supercharge your 4 pot, Downing Atlanta makes a nice supercharger kit for your engine. All for USD 3395 :)

The DASC is for the late model M42 and M44 (both DOHC)... Nothing for the M40... FYI, there's no M40 in the US market... All the E30 318i over there are either using the M10 (pre-facelift) or M42 (facelifted)..
 
fabianyee;210862 said:
The DASC is for the late model M42 and M44 (both DOHC)... Nothing for the M40... FYI, there's no M40 in the US market... All the E30 318i over there are either using the M10 (pre-facelift) or M42 (facelifted)..

Me bad. Forgot he has a M40:)
 
with a compression of 8.6, looks very yummy to turbo-dize. if only the bmw ecu could calibrate both fuel and ignition maps, without having to chip or flash. but then life would be too easy, eh? :D

zoggee....wah, change engine like underwear ar? thats why, amaran kerajaan, boosting is bad for health. stick to NA :D :p
 
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