BMW Performance Mods

[E90-3100]

Thanks E90-3100. I was concerned about the loss of low-end torque too but am glad to hear your feedback that this is not the case. I believe that the perf air intake is meant to match the perf exhaust and both bring out the best gains. I sure hope this is the case with my Euro Perf Air Intake and US Perf Exhaust, the bestest of the best, hahaha!

So, I'm now looking forward to do mine soon. E90-1000, please confirm, you did your exhaust at Obermaier right? Fred, any news on ETA?

Yup, I got it installed at Fred's place. It is done very neatly. Not chop shop!

Fred, when will we be getting more stocks? My brother's car is waiting for it too!

 

[E90-3100]

Oh, the front brakes only install sounds good to me for budget considerations. How much just for the front ah? Fred, I might as well call you lou tou already since so much of my hard earned dosh is coming your way, heh.

I bought my front brakes and intake from Ingress Auto for a complete price of about 12K. But I think the promotion has now ended. It is now retailed at RM16.5K for both as a set.

 

[E90-3100]

yoo, you confirm going?:top:

Still not sure, let me make some phone calls tomorrow..

Besides track, any other time for us to meet up?

 

[Juan Powerblow]

I bought my front brakes and intake from Ingress Auto for a complete price of about 12K. But I think the promotion has now ended. It is now retailed at RM16.5K for both as a set.

I should check with 'em if they still got stocks of the front brakes only as well as get a quote from other suppliers. The yerrow would look good against my car colour, Arctic. Tempting, tempting...

 

[E90-3100]

I should check with 'em if they still got stocks of the front brakes only as well as get a quote from other suppliers. The yerrow would look good against my car colour, Arctic. Tempting, tempting...

JPB you are right! Actually among all perf parts, the brakes are the most visible to onlookers.

Intake is in the hood and the exhaust in a glance, seems the same.

 

[velocity]

I should check with 'em if they still got stocks of the front brakes only as well as get a quote from other suppliers. The yerrow would look good against my car colour, Arctic. Tempting, tempting...

yellow looks good if you fixed it front and rear. it looks balance and complete. perhaps you could consider a Black or Silver 6 port Brembo instead, it is the current big brakes color trend for super cars..I fixed mine with yellow...now it looks a bit out of time already...Personally, I like Brembo calipers than the BMW Performance option though.

 

[Spaceman]

yellow looks good if you fixed it front and rear. it looks balance and complete. perhaps you could consider a Black or Silver 6 port Brembo instead, it is the current big brakes color trend for super cars..I fixed mine with yellow...now it looks a bit out of time already...Personally, I like Brembo calipers than the BMW Performance option though.

wow, you r running the Porsche yellow Brembo calipers?

i've been thinking it for quite a while...but too much to spend on a 218hp car. if 300hp, its a different story la..

mind sharing how much do they cost? its a 6/4 GT?

 

[ryvinson]

Braking News! Braking News! Braking News!

Rambo (front) Brembos brakes ittted.....done, finito, habis, kow tim.....all in less than 2 hours! Superlatives cannot begin to describe the awesome visuals of the yellow calipers against the Perf double spoke rims. The DUAL "BMW Performance" inscriptions on both rims and brakes jutapositioned with each other is simply stupendously stunning. Now I can understand why that lethal combo is used on promotional brochures. I mean imagine Blake Lively posed seductively behind a no less enticing, inviting Megan Fox...now you get the drift...?

My holdback on the brakes as discussed was the force-fit diliemna for the rear Bimbo Brembos. Now with just Rambo Brambos upfront, hey, I'm not even missing Bimbo Brambo at the rear! Again, learned from a little birdie that BMW Perf will be out with a Euro Bimbo Brembo for the 3 series by year end. So if I want that more balanced look which I'm very nonplussed at this juncture I can wait. BUT over my dead body will I "cut & paste" to have more balance visuals with Bimbos. No Way Jose. Strictly plug & play as the factory had intended. I play by the rules...sometimes....It would have been moronic to force-fit the Bimbo Brembos at a separate cost of over 9k alone using USED parts. Dealer told me he couldn't imagine cost when I said I wanted everything BRAND NEW.....

Again, I cannot begin to extol the virtues of retro fitting with BMW Perf range. I was watching lthe guys fit the Rambo Brembos like a hawk, and they did it with sheer effortless ease. Rambos just slided and meshed in with the by-now bare bones brakes setup with no fuss and bother. No mods/force needed....like Madonna's very willing Virgin. That's why it took less than 2 hours. My pals down South who fitted the Rambos during the promotional period by PML disclosed that PML took 2 full days to fit. Reason given by PML was that the Rambos needed to be syncronized with the OBC...a delicate, time consuming job. Hogwash! BULL! BULL! Took only 15 mins to make the OBC blink "welcome on board!" to the Rambos. And PML charged S$700....mine was FOC. And it was a high quality job that posed no threat to my warranty at any stage. Yay!!

So anyone out there who hasn't done up their wheels set-up, would strongly recommend the Perf 269 19" double spoke rims and the Rambos....as the factory and marketing boys have intended as yin and yang. One without the other would detract from the full visuals say if you plan to fit Breytons for eg, and/or going for 18" only....Take no prisoners...either the full works or nadda..!!

E90-3100 - you paid 3k more than you should for your intake and Rambos but no worries if you're a happy man which I'm sure you are.

Cheers!

 

[velocity]

wow, you r running the Porsche yellow Brembo calipers?

i've been thinking it for quite a while...but too much to spend on a 218hp car. if 300hp, its a different story la..

mind sharing how much do they cost? its a 6/4 GT?

yeah..it was a Porsche theme color 6/4GT + 269 Performance rim on E92 Space Gray look cun giler. I get it from fredd. but bro, it is not a matter a lower hp for not to justify this awesome brakes. it is when you do defensive maneuvers or braking at a speed of 260km/h then you find every penny spend on this GT is worthwhile. I don’t want to be drag into technicalities on front only brake upgrades. But I personally felt we don’t do justice to our awesome ride..especially E92…oh JPB..pls laa. I don’t know how many time people out there will asking you like…and you need to justify it again…again and again..

Fag : Wow awesome ride. Nice Rim…errr…why only front got color big brakes ? Why belakang don have?
You : Well….a research I have done…on the internet….ask people….is the same thing…no performance diff…waste money….so i…..
Fag : Oh really….
You : Yeah… a research I have done…on the internet….ask people….is the same thing…no performance diff…waste money….so i…..
Fag : oh okay…but it is not look cool laa like that…
You : No laa. It okay…it’s the same… a research I have done…on the internet….ask people….is the same thing…no performance diff…waste money….so i…..
Fag : oh okay…it’s your car anyway.. so where were we…


:wink:

 

[E46Fanatic]

For my case the firmware had to be updated before the DSC was recoded to recognize the Performance brakes. Certainly the DSC has to be informed of the new part (SSS - Retrofit Performance Brake) via the CIP path (whatever that means), and I guess for a car with latest updated firmware, it could take only 15 mins for all that to be done. Since you only managed to fit the fronts, you should be driving a E90 325i or a 323i

How much did you pay for the kit + install at the end? Also, instructions state give it 500kms to exhibit its true potential.

 

[E46Fanatic]

Rear brake no need too makan wan, too makan will buang.. .. besides u can drop gear for engine drag.. try it! U'll love it!

Or worse case, brake bias too forward will cause excessive weight transfer to the fronts swinging the tail around under hard braking in the turns. I believe the older generation Vios has this problem. There was a recent case where the Vios braked hard around a high speed turn, the tail lifted swung around and car wrapped around a tree in Cyberjaya. Killed driver instantly. The whole episode was reviewed via recordings of the traffic camera. Nose heavy FWD, high rear clearance suspension setup, front brake bias = bad news man.

Hence big safety warnings in the installation instructions and labels for the the Performance brake kit to re-code the DSC. Just doing the retrofit without the DSC recode is a safety hazard.

 

[Schwepps]

Hence big safety warnings in the installation instructions and labels for the the Performance brake kit to re-code the DSC. Just doing the retrofit without the DSC recode is a safety hazard.

Would you assume that if one ACTUALLY buys a performance brake kit, the installer would know this?

Cooo! Where DO you get all these photos bud?

 

[E46Fanatic]

Well some fellas in E90 post do DIY's of their install. Didn't recode the DSC after. Also some folks who just fit front Brembos typically don't re-validate the brake bias changes on the car. If its a full kit from Brembo, Alcon, AP, Stoptech etc, the designers do take in consideration brake bias during the design of the front + rear brake combo. I guess its more detrimental for cars prone to excessive weight transfer to the fronts, high ground clearance, softer suspension setup, rear lifted suspension setup, nose heavy weight distribution etc (our BMWs esp M sport package and M cars have less clearance on the rear).

Here is the story of the case with the vios. The writer points it to "sensitive" brakes, but I believe its a brake bias, weight transfer issue which the older gen Vios is prone with.

http://miros-road-safety.blogspot.com/2008/10/palma-tree-crashed-toyota-vios-at.html

 

[Juan Powerblow]

yeah..it was a Porsche theme color 6/4GT + 269 Performance rim on E92 Space Gray look cun giler. I get it from fredd. but bro, it is not a matter a lower hp for not to justify this awesome brakes. it is when you do defensive maneuvers or braking at a speed of 260km/h then you find every penny spend on this GT is worthwhile. I don’t want to be drag into technicalities on front only brake upgrades. But I personally felt we don’t do justice to our awesome ride..especially E92…oh JPB..pls laa. I don’t know how many time people out there will asking you like…and you need to justify it again…again and again..

Fag : Wow awesome ride. Nice Rim…errr…why only front got color big brakes ? Why belakang don have?
You : Well….a research I have done…on the internet….ask people….is the same thing…no performance diff…waste money….so i…..
Fag : Oh really….
You : Yeah… a research I have done…on the internet….ask people….is the same thing…no performance diff…waste money….so i…..
Fag : oh okay…but it is not look cool laa like that…
You : No laa. It okay…it’s the same… a research I have done…on the internet….ask people….is the same thing…no performance diff…waste money….so i…..
Fag : oh okay…it’s your car anyway.. so where were we…


:wink:

Hahahaha... I do see your point here. Yet again. It just occured to me on my Style 89 18" rims, the yerrow won't be so apparent after all cos my 5 spokes are pretty thick. So, still contemplating...

 

[Schwepps]

Yeah, but here you can only buy and fix BMW performance brakes at the authorised dealers or a couple of specialists, correct? Wouldn't they automatically do the DSC revalidation, seeing as the DSC is the centre of all the safety systems of the E90?

The poor fella! Trees shouldn't be planted on purpose in highway run-offs and dividers, especially after a curve.

 

[ryvinson]

Not sure if I read the last few messages right... BUT to be a fool and be sure, in as far as the Perf brakes for the 3 series are concerned save for the US spec 3.0 litre powerplants, the rear Bimbos are not necessary. The present stock rears more than suffices as per Physics 101. You'd all know the AD would ask for the chassis number to ensure there's a fit when parts are ordered. If there's no fit, the corresponding part is not listed for a particular vehicle. That's a safety measure. And the Bimbo rears are not listed consistent with the Perf parts list for straight sixes. And if you're like me....be a fool in order to be sure....you'd checked with very reliable sources. I checked with kiasu PML to verify and validate. They confirmed exactly what the local AD said. So I can with just cause rule out an Armageddon situation like the Vios with presumbably an obese Rambo fronts and a size zero Bimbo rears fitted. Even with the ultimate in brakes or any penultimate life sparing technology, an idiot behind a wheel or anyone running out of horoscopic luck on any particular day would meet exactly the same fate as the Vios driver. RIP.

And even in the remotest of cases where the DSC is not re-coded by a AD technician, it would from my simpleton perspective be moronic again to assume that the brakes would simply fail. A brake is a brake is a brake..when applied by foot...and that's the OBC's fuzzy logic that overiddes its own programming including human stupidity to save lives when warranted. Yay! Thanks indeed for the feedbacks and contributions. All nay! or yay! perspectives welcomed.....we're all at the end of the day far much richer with knowledge of our Bimmers and understanding of ourselves...

Cheers!

 

[E46Fanatic]

Dun worry man. I drove the car without the DSC recoded and after the DSC recode and there is a noticeable feel in brake balance after the re-code. Its more neutral braking and much more composed. Without the re-code, you always get the feel that your front tyres are under tyred and the braking force is very front heavy. Hence I believe the DSC recode adjusts the brake bias in our cars. Like all the BMW performance parts, BMW has given our cars a better performance edge when the car is fitted with them, and certainly for these brakes, your car is now safer with them than without them!

I believe the only reason BMW doesn't spec the full front and rear for the std 325i is because the rears simply don't fit. The cars need different wheel carrier, eBrake, drive shafts, bearings etc for it to plug and play. The rear brakes ARE specified for the E90 325d sedan which comes with the upgraded rear wheel carrier and drive shaft and eBrake parts. So its not a matter of a horsepower thing, its a compatibility thing.

 

[Schwepps]

Oooo. Now I know why my OBC is stuck at 80,000km to next front brake check. Fuzzy logic overiding reality. What a clever little car!

 

[Juan Powerblow]

Ok, this is top of my wishlist now. Can E46F and E90-1000 do a run together. Both have the perf air intake but only E90-1000 comes with the perf exhaust. If E90-1000 dusts E46F, then we know the perf exhaust, esp in US specs, works well. If my recollection is correct, E46F is now the fastest E90 325i after he outran DY.

 

[ryvinson]

What I can read Velocity saying is the idiocy of oneupmanship or brinksmanship...the relentless self imposed pressure to be one up over others or take risks (fools rush in where angels fear to thread) when the rest of the world is otherwise wiser ..simply to live up to peer pressure and expectations. Oneupmanship and brinksmanship certainly holds water when it comes to exclusive cars especially if one owns a ride that make others salivate and drool with envy. This is where a person's maturity, self confidence and intelligence comes in to personify one of my most inspirational of Chinese sayings .."Yi Shan Hai You Yi Shan Gao" loosely translated as "after one mountain comes another (taller) mountain" and loosely interpreted as "there's no limits to showing off". The analogous NIKE version would be "there's no finishing line". And so one needs to learn how draw to THAT line and say "enough" even if one disappoints. If one continues to seek endorsement or approval from others, the real persona in one will never stand up and be counted. And that indeed would be the saddest strory ever told.

Gee whiz! Now how did I philosophize and pontificate in the manner I have done above.........booooooo......