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Hi All, Need for some expert advise. I looking for a good sound system for my car. Currently i'm using the original BMW Business player and have no plans to change it. I also don't intend to add a bass speaker box - that takes up the space in the boot. It has 2 speaker at the rear and 4 infront.I would like to hear - good clean bass and treble sound, clarity is important. No distortion when the vol up. I listen to all kind of music i.e. r&b, house, ragga, top 40.To improve on the sound, i think i would need: all round new speakers, some crossovers, amp's and not too sure if i need eq. Good cable and wiring for the sound system.Could anyone recommend me a good system setup for my car?What would the amount that i would need to spend?Cheers!
 
hey bimmer man ,

sound system needed ?here some idea for ya

1. 4 channel quality amplifier i think is around rm1000 to rm3000
2. component set speaker for front and rear (Focal speaker should be good ) they cost around rm600 to rm 3000 depends on the range you want !!

bimmer man bro , if you change the front speaker for E46 they will cut a hole on your original speaker place , because original speaker magnet is very small , sakit hati lah !!! i've been seen 1 E46 he using Focal speaker and the range i forgotten liao no need to cut hole and the sound very nice , he just change the front and rear speaker and good speaker cable "no amplifier" !!

if you live near SS2 then go have a look on "ACP Auto Accesseries"

Hope this help !!
 
Originally posted by Happy Boy@Jan 26 2006, 11:07 PM
hey bimmer man ,

sound system needed ?here some idea for ya

1. 4 channel quality amplifier i think is around rm1000 to rm3000
2. component set speaker for front and rear (Focal speaker should be good ) they cost around rm600 to rm 3000 depends on the range you want !!

bimmer man bro , if you change the front speaker for E46 they will cut a hole on your original speaker place , because original speaker magnet is very small , sakit hati lah !!! i've been seen 1 E46 he using Focal speaker and the range i forgotten liao no need to cut hole and the sound very nice , he just change the front and rear speaker and good speaker cable "no amplifier" !!

if you live near SS2 then go have a look on "ACP Auto Accesseries"

Hope this help !!
hey happy boy - great advise. thanks alot. atleast now i know the items thats needed. price kinda high though... Cutting a hole on the door panel.. hmmm, may just settle for a small or "just right" size speaker for the front.

will look into it. i live near pj and getting to the asp - is not a problem.

do you get your car done up there?

happy holidays....
 
Originally posted by bimmer_man@Jan 27 2006, 12:12 AM
hey happy boy - great advise. thanks alot. atleast now i know the items thats needed. price kinda high though... Cutting a hole on the door panel.. hmmm, may just settle for a small or "just right" size speaker for the front.

will look into it. i live near pj and getting to the asp - is not a problem.

do you get your car done up there?

happy holidays....
bimmer bro ,
think twice huh if cut the hole will make some noise really sakit hati lah .... for me i wont cut it !! :D that's great if you live pj area before u install speaker ask probaly ...... :getyourfactsright:

yes my car every single thing done up there !! you can find anything about sound system , RCA CABLE , SPEAKER CABLE , POWER CABLE ...ETC !! if im free i willing to go with you and get discount for you B) because i knew the boss been long long time ago ..... or you can listen to my car audio system after all make your decision bro .....join tt's and we can share bro

PM ME WHEN U READY TO GO VISIT ACP ACCESSERIES !! B)

ENJOY YOUR HOLIDAY TOO BIMMER MAN BRO :D
 
1 more shop to reconmend fo ya bimmer man ....
you can try KK LAW AUTO ACCESSERIES at SS3 , he's expert fo sound system and he got all banded amplifier and he selling cheap . . . . the boss very honest people and no samuai sword ..... he also sell BMW stuff . . . .
he change labour vey cheapy cheapy . . . . experiance fo continental cars ....
 
Hi Bimmer man, maybe you might want to visit the following tread to get a idea of what you can do to a E46.

http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/i-c-e-section...-e46-coupe.html

This guy is seow one as you can see from his nick. ICE is his passion and you can see from the amount of work that went into his system...if you want to know how it sounds....all I can tell you is...ITS SWEET !!!

But I believe most will find this setup a tad overboard but you can use some of the ideas that he has done to his ride...

E46 325CiA

Have fun ICEing !!!!
 
Ghostie,

That's ICEMan's ride, ain't it ? Superb system from what I hear. But looking at the line up of Alpine/SEAS Ref by Lotus/Orion and etc, that'd already a very good platform to start with. I'm shopping for a pair of SEAS Reference or Morel Elate myself ... :)

Bimmer_Man, options are limited only by your budget but I wud ask that you do some homework before you walk into ANY car audio shops here. While not all of them are out to fleece unsuspecting customers, it wud be a lot easier once you decided on what really you want. Here's what I wud look at if I was in your shoes .... again, this is just my personal view ..

What you want - a system that produces good clean bass and treble sound, clarity is important. No distortion when the vol up. I listen to all kind of music i.e. r&b, house, ragga, top 40.

You'd like to continue the original BMW HU and no plans to add a sub. Current set up with stock speakers - 2 tweets and mids up front, a pair of co-ax in the rear parcel. No major surgery to the stock front locations.
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Ideally, the heart of a system is the HU itself but we all know the limitation and less than ideal expansion capabilities of the stock HU. Considering the fact you want to add EQs and x-overs later, I wud seriously look into getting an aftermarket HU that comes with all these built in. Ironically, for the cost of a quality x-overs and 15-band EQ, you could just add some a couple hundred bucks and grab a HU that comes with these features and hi-volt pre-outs for adding amplifiers. There's no way anyone could extract the maximum potential of a system without a good HU and without the help of quality cross-overs, time-allignment and EQ given the harsh acoustic conditions / characteristics of our car cabins.

Speakers form an important part of the food-chain since this is where the final results come from. It wud be good not to skimp here ... no need to blow a few thousands but just go with one that fits you wallet and ears. The e46 front location does accept 6 inch unit without much mods but you need to make sure that they have slim driver magnets. Cutting and fabricating is only needed with comps like Dynaudio, MBQ and some Morels that have huge rear magnets and cavity. Or, get something smaller like a 5.25 inchers (stock size) from any reputable brand like Alpine, DLS, Eton, MB Quart, Focal, A/D/S - simple drop in and cover job. A word of coution - please bring some CDs of yours when you go audition speakers as our personal taste varies from one person to another. Some prefer bright and upfront type of sound while you may prefer a more laidback and mellow type of presentation. Again, let you ears be the judge here and do not be led by marketing ploy and competition track records that some shops will hype on.

You mentioned that you want good clean bass and here is another dilemma in that respect. Component speakers - regardless of their size can only reproduce limited low frequencies given the law physics. Most will only go as low as 80Hz or even higher in real world usage hence you will notice the lack of clean deep bass almost immediately. Your solution will be to consider a pair of 8 or 10 inch subs mounted free-air onto the rear parcel shelf ( some strengthening required ) while freeing up your boot space. Another option is a bass tube that wud probably take up minimal boot space. Once your hear the real low note extension coming from these babies, you'll never be able to listen to another system without a sub without missing that something.

Amplifiers are definitely necessary as the power output from the HU be it stock or aftermarket is not really enough to derive the maximum sound quality from good speakers. You may need a 4 channel to power your front and rear speakers and maybe another 2 channel if you opt for a sub or tube. Look out for real world power output ... in RMS and not the usual PMPO crap of 1000W. Remember, power does not come cheap so please do not fall for the usual marketing bull. Ideally, any amp that has an output of 50W RMS per channel or more will be just ideal. Again, try to stick to reputable brands as even their entry level stuffs will blow all those unknown brands which may look tempting at the beginning due to their low prices and sky-high power ratings.

And yes, once you've figured out all else, do set aside some cash for the install itself with provisions made for wiring, cables, fuses and etc. Ideally, a 10% of the total budget for the system is the rule of thumb but if you have a fetish for high end cables and wires from the likes of Audio Quest, Monster, MIT, Nordust and Stinger ... spend away :eek:k: I have heard very good thing about ACP and KK Lau but again, shop around until you find an installer who would understand your needs, listening taste and work to provide you a solution within that budget/taste.

BTW, if you are available during the 12 Feb - why not join us for our 1st ICE TT in the morning ? You'll be able to sample some nice tunes and view a few good systems while getting an idea of what you could do with your budget. Details of the TT are found in the Members Meet-Up section ... do join us and you can catch up with all the Resident ICE freaks here ... :p

Cheers,
 
Originally posted by Ghostrider-SG@Jan 28 2006, 01:47 PM
Hi Bimmer man, maybe you might want to visit the following tread to get a idea of what you can do to a E46.

http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/i-c-e-section...-e46-coupe.html

This guy is seow one as you can see from his nick. ICE is his passion and you can see from the amount of work that went into his system...if you want to know how it sounds....all I can tell you is...ITS SWEET !!!

But I believe most will find this setup a tad overboard but you can use some of the ideas that he has done to his ride...

E46 325CiA

Have fun ICEing !!!!
hi ghostrider-sg - thanks for the lead.

Must have costed him a bomb for the sound system.....
 
Originally posted by Vanquish@Jan 28 2006, 03:01 PM
Ghostie,

That's ICEMan's ride, ain't it ? Superb system from what I hear. But looking at the line up of Alpine/SEAS Ref by Lotus/Orion and etc, that'd already a very good platform to start with. I'm shopping for a pair of SEAS Reference or Morel Elate myself ... :)

Bimmer_Man, options are limited only by your budget but I wud ask that you do some homework before you walk into ANY car audio shops here. While not all of them are out to fleece unsuspecting customers, it wud be a lot easier once you decided on what really you want. Here's what I wud look at if I was in your shoes .... again, this is just my personal view ..

What you want - a system that produces good clean bass and treble sound, clarity is important. No distortion when the vol up. I listen to all kind of music i.e. r&b, house, ragga, top 40.

You'd like to continue the original BMW HU and no plans to add a sub. Current set up with stock speakers - 2 tweets and mids up front, a pair of co-ax in the rear parcel. No major surgery to the stock front locations.
***********************************************************

Ideally, the heart of a system is the HU itself but we all know the limitation and less than ideal expansion capabilities of the stock HU. Considering the fact you want to add EQs and x-overs later, I wud seriously look into getting an aftermarket HU that comes with all these built in. Ironically, for the cost of a quality x-overs and 15-band EQ, you could just add some a couple hundred bucks and grab a HU that comes with these features and hi-volt pre-outs for adding amplifiers. There's no way anyone could extract the maximum potential of a system without a good HU and without the help of quality cross-overs, time-allignment and EQ given the harsh acoustic conditions / characteristics of our car cabins.

Speakers form an important part of the food-chain since this is where the final results come from. It wud be good not to skimp here ... no need to blow a few thousands but just go with one that fits you wallet and ears. The e46 front location does accept 6 inch unit without much mods but you need to make sure that they have slim driver magnets. Cutting and fabricating is only needed with comps like Dynaudio, MBQ and some Morels that have huge rear magnets and cavity. Or, get something smaller like a 5.25 inchers (stock size) from any reputable brand like Alpine, DLS, Eton, MB Quart, Focal, A/D/S - simple drop in and cover job. A word of coution - please bring some CDs of yours when you go audition speakers as our personal taste varies from one person to another. Some prefer bright and upfront type of sound while you may prefer a more laidback and mellow type of presentation. Again, let you ears be the judge here and do not be led by marketing ploy and competition track records that some shops will hype on.

You mentioned that you want good clean bass and here is another dilemma in that respect. Component speakers - regardless of their size can only reproduce limited low frequencies given the law physics. Most will only go as low as 80Hz or even higher in real world usage hence you will notice the lack of clean deep bass almost immediately. Your solution will be to consider a pair of 8 or 10 inch subs mounted free-air onto the rear parcel shelf ( some strengthening required ) while freeing up your boot space. Another option is a bass tube that wud probably take up minimal boot space. Once your hear the real low note extension coming from these babies, you'll never be able to listen to another system without a sub without missing that something.

Amplifiers are definitely necessary as the power output from the HU be it stock or aftermarket is not really enough to derive the maximum sound quality from good speakers. You may need a 4 channel to power your front and rear speakers and maybe another 2 channel if you opt for a sub or tube. Look out for real world power output ... in RMS and not the usual PMPO crap of 1000W. Remember, power does not come cheap so please do not fall for the usual marketing bull. Ideally, any amp that has an output of 50W RMS per channel or more will be just ideal. Again, try to stick to reputable brands as even their entry level stuffs will blow all those unknown brands which may look tempting at the beginning due to their low prices and sky-high power ratings.

And yes, once you've figured out all else, do set aside some cash for the install itself with provisions made for wiring, cables, fuses and etc. Ideally, a 10% of the total budget for the system is the rule of thumb but if you have a fetish for high end cables and wires from the likes of Audio Quest, Monster, MIT, Nordust and Stinger ... spend away :eek:k: I have heard very good thing about ACP and KK Lau but again, shop around until you find an installer who would understand your needs, listening taste and work to provide you a solution within that budget/taste.

BTW, if you are available during the 12 Feb - why not join us for our 1st ICE TT in the morning ? You'll be able to sample some nice tunes and view a few good systems while getting an idea of what you could do with your budget. Details of the TT are found in the Members Meet-Up section ... do join us and you can catch up with all the Resident ICE freaks here ... :p

Cheers,
vanquish - thanks for your msg. lots of important facts in there. really an eye opener for me.

i know a system like ICEMAN - will cost a bomb to setup. and this moment, i dun have that kind of cash - upfront.

anyway, i'll look into the TT on feb 12. Will keep you posted. Will u be around? What kinda of setup you have?

Cheers.....
 
The ICEMAN ride is really cool...but like I said...this system boders around insanity !! :D :D But I must say...its really good. He does his homework & knows what he wants and he will tekan the installer until he gets it.

Not asking you to follow his example...but you can use stuff like you see on his setup (how often you see a totally striped down E46 and those that kenna potong left right & centre one ?)

How much you want to progress in your ICE journey depends on how deep the pocket is (no offence intended) and how much time and effort you are willing to spend. If you are going to be happy with a upgrade to better speaker & amplifer leading to a general improvement of sound (which is important to note...please your ears and not others)....then it would be easy...the tough parts is when you got itchy backside and you want to improve slightly here and there...then that is where your dream or your nightmare will appear (depending on factors)

For a simple start, why dun you just add on a simple 4 ch amp and get yourself a decent set of component speakers to begin with. Then you see if you like what you hear (confirm sure better than your stock system anytime) and if you want to add a sub woofer. Then if sound still not perfect enuff for you....ops....bad news....you are gonna spend lots of $$ and time on this mod liao !! :D :D :D

I have gone thru several setup & upgrades before I settle on the current one...the truth is...kinda sick of spending money and time to do the "perfect" setup...so I am sticking with my current one for a while....until the bug bites again !!
 
This ICEMAN ain't the same ICEMAN on BMW.MY. This guy is de ICEMAN from BMW.SG forum....you wanna see his ride you gotta come to SG....cos his CMI car cannot reach KL on 1 tank of petrol...doing 6km/L now !!
 
Originally posted by Happy Boy@Jan 31 2006, 06:47 AM
wahhhhhhh ICEMAN i want to see ur sound system on ICEBREAKING TT liao hmmmm :rolleyes:
Yup ...

Ghostie is rite - same name, different guy! BTW, why don't you join us for the ICE TT on the 12-Feb, Happy Boy ? Wud love to meet with you there .. :)
 
Tehnichi has a new bidget system for 3k+ if I saw correctly the other day. You may want to audition it before making the final decision as it is a lot of $ to blow.
 
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