Recent Problem with My SMG

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I had a problem which change my plan entirely from changing to the E60 530i. To share my experience I’ve put down here on the email correspondence I sent to BMW with my complaints. I received only one reply from BMW but i know that the local dealer was informed of my complaints. I have no intention of insulting anybody. I hope BMW and the local dealer will improve their service after this for the benefits of you all. As for me I've changed my mind and you know by the end of the email from me to BMW.The local dealer have also met me extending their apology but as it is now I do not think I will change to the E60 530i.My 1st email:From: xxxxxxx@xxxxx.com [mailto:xxxxxxx@xxxxx.com]Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:21 AMTo: Bmw TestdriveSubject: Customer ServicesChassis : ET79203Model : E46 325i SMGRegistration : xxx xxDealer : xxxxx xxx xxxxxx xxxNot wish detail :Message : Re: Complaints of your dealer service which isIncompetence and unprofesional.My car: e46 325iSMG bought from xxxxx xxx xxxxxx in November 2002.Mileage so far is about 40000km.Problem: Clutch slippage.This problem started last year when I noticed especially in the morning when I want to start driving the car there is a hesitance for the car to move and suddenly it will move as the clutch start biting. When the car was send for servicing I think in November last year before the end of the warranty period I made a complaints of this problem. The answer to me was that the car need to be warm-up first so that the gearbox will be functioning at the optimum level.Still the problem was not solved. Fed-up with it then I just ignore it. It then get worse since early this year and the worse is the past 2 months. I start experiencing the clutch slippage but intermittent. The engine rev will climb up on pressing the accelerator but the car won't move. Suddenly than it will move. It occured in intially the 1st and 2nd gear and later even the 3rd, 4th and 5th gear. It will disappear after switching off the engine and restart. Imagine the scare that I have driving it in a jammed KL road 2 months ago when the car will jump forward as the clutch catch. Complaints but since was thought of changing to the e60 530i I waited for their respond. Last week, was told to send the car for checking since one engeneer from BMW is coming. Was told that the recommendation was to change the gearbox control unit (thanks for your good will) and the clutch plate needs replacement.The parts finally arrived on the 2 August 2005 and I made the appointment to send the car on the 3 August 2005. So I send it on the 3 August 2005 at around 0930hrs. In the afternoon before going back after works I drop by to see the car, it is already about 1630 hrs. Was really angry because nothing was done to the car yet after one day in the workshop.The next day, 4 August 2005, I went to the shop at around 0930hrs andsaw they are in the process of dismantling the gearbox/clutch. So I left them. Got a call at 1153 hrs that there is oil leakage from the clutch pump and it needs to be replace. Had a look at the car at around 1230 hrs and noticed the clutch plate still thick and the other component that catch the clutch plate have numerous dot/spot of burning oil. Now needs to wait for the parts. I went there again on the 4 August2005 (yesterday) at around 1700 hrs. I was told the parts will be mostlikely arrived by Saturday morning, 6 August 2005 and they should be able to finish the works by the afternoon. Told them that now I don't care about. They can take another 2 days or one week or till next year.My complaints:1. The mechanic is incompetent in dealing with my car. I know there are only 2 units of SMG sold in xxxxxx. So their experience with the car is very limited. They unable to identify the problem in the early stage. In my case while the car is still under warranty. Was told that they will again try to get the part replace under good will. Told them I don't care, just get the parts replaced so I can drive my car again. I'm fortunate that I have my Cooper-S to use for my daily requirement. I think you could still remember the problem I face in getting my Cooper-S 3 months ago. My plan to get E60 530i R6 is now on hold although I have paid them the deposit for it. I'll asked them to return it in the next few days if possible. Otherwise, forget it.2. Your staff is unprofessional in their conduct. I was promised theworks will take 2 days but now going to be 4 days or by next week. I understand some problem is unforeseen as the clutch pump need to be orderd but why when I send the car on the 3 August 2005 morning why nothing was done till the next day. If they have dismantle it earlier then the parts can be ordered earlier and the time the car in the workshop will also be reduce.I don't know whether I will get any reply from you but hopefully something can be done. BMW is my my dream car come through but I hope in the end it will not be my nightmare car.Thanks you for reading. My view is that a lot still needs to be done to improve the service given by your dealer. I do not know why my encounter with BMW has been unpleasant since my first car, e46 328i followed by Cooper-S and now my SMG.TIA-Zul-Reply from BMW Malaysia:Subject: Ref#06_08-05 (XXX XX - 325i) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:45:59 +0800 From: XXXXX.XXX-XXXXX@bmw.com.myTo: XXXXXXX@YAHOO.COM CC: XXXXXXX.XXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.com.my, XXXXXX.XXX@bmw.com.my Dear Dr ZulThank you for your email dated 5 August 2005 with regards to the abovematter.Certainly we were very concerned to read of the experiences you haveencountered with your BMW and MINI as mentioned in your correspondence. We can appreciate the inconvenience caused by the series of events that you have encountered. However, the transmission systems on your vehicle do not have a fixed life span. Various driving and road conditions together with external environmental factors could contribute to the issues you have been experiencing. Please be assured that we certainly want to spare our customers suchexperiences and always strive to bring the level of service and accuracy of work for all our dealers to the highest standard. Nevertheless, due to human involvement there is always a slight possibility that suchoccurrences may happen and these are circumstances, which weunfortunately cannot fully prevent. However, your feedback and commentwill be conveyed to the respective management for their appropriateaction and future improvement.We note that our dealer, XXXXX XXX XXXXXX has also been involvedextensively and has corresponded with you to resolve this matter.Nevertheless, we trust that we can regain your confidence dealershipservice quality and wish you trouble free driving enjoyment with yourBMW and MINI.Thank you for your time providing us your feedback and comments whichare greatly appreciated. Regards,BMW Malaysia Sdn BhdXXX XXXXX, XXXXXTechnical Customer Support Executive3501, Jalan Teknokrat 563000 CyberjayaSelangor Darul EhsanTel GL : + (6)-03-XXXX XXXXTel DL : + (6)-03-XXXX XXXXFax : + (6)-03-8887 3821www.bmw.com.myMy Second email:Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 05:05:04 +0100 (BST) From: XXXXXXX@yahoo.comSubject: Re: Ref#06_08-05 (XXX XX - 325i) To: XXXXX.XXX-XXXXX@bmw.com.my Dear Mr xxxxx, Really appreciate your respond. Agreed that not all have fixed life span including human being. As I said it is the way the problem was handled that I'm not satisfied. This is not inclusive of problem I faced few months earlier when they change my rear brake pad. While driving the car I felt sudden vibration at the wheel like the nut is loose and the wheel going to come out. Have to send it back to them to rectify it. My personal feel as I said earlier is they need to be retrain. Thanks again. -Zul-My 3rd email:Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:31:25 +0100 (BST) From: XXXXXXX@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Ref#06_08-05 (XXX XX - 325i) To: XXXXX.XXX-XXXXX@bmw.com.my CC: XXXXXXX.XXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.com.my, XXXXX.XXX@bmw.com.my Dear Mr XXXXX, I've replied earlier to you but let me update you on the latest outcome just to show how unprofesional the dealer are. I was inform on the Friday (5 August 2005) morning the the parts have arrived. On the way home on that afternoon at around 1630 hrs I drop by at the dealer to find out when I can come to collect my car. Was told by Mr XXXXXXX himself that I can come and collect the car on Saturday (6 August 2005) at 1700 hrs. I received a call at around 1523hrs (today, 6 August 2005) telling me I cannot collect my car. I have to wait till Monday, 8 August 2005. The reason given to me was even though the car is ready but there is no senior mechanic to test the car before I can collect it. Both Mr XXXXXXX and Mr YY YYY is not around. So you see just because nobody is around I can't collect my car. Why make promises when you cannot fulfill it and when you won't be around? I don't know why things keep happening to me. May be for them I'm just an unimportant customer. For me I'm very particular whenever it come for promises. May be thats the way I handle it because my religion tought me not to take promise lightly and don't make any promises if you're not sure you can fullfil it, and also because my profession demands it. Your earlier email has been good to give me reassurance of the improvement in the service to come but now I am really not happy and angry. At the moment I've decided to keep this car instead of changing to E60 530i. You may have a good car but buying car also means buying the service and don't forget that a lousy unprofessional service leads to unhappy customer. Unhappy customer will not buy your car anymore will not recommend his friend to buy the car as well. For now I'll wait and enjoy the car as much as possible before changing to Mercedes, most likely Brabus Edition. Good bye BMW, Welcome Mercedes. Thank you.-Zul-On the 8 August 2005 at around 10.30 am the Manager and The Senior Mechanic, Mr XXXXXXX came to my office. They informed me that the car has another problem and they have to dismantle it again. It can only put on 1st gear only. This time I ask them again when the car can be ready but they dare not to promise me when. So, I told them to inform me to collect the car only when it is ready.No news after that and with the frustration I have I also decided not to check on the car till on Saturday, 13 August 2005 at around 1300 hrs. Went to the workshop and saw Mr YY YYY working with the computer on the car. Told that he is programming the new control unit. I came back later at around 1500 hrs and collect the car.
 
I really symphatise with what you went thru. If it were me, the problems with the car is minor relative to the lousy service you had to endure. The latter is what's really very frustrating. I also know you're not the first to be letdown by such bad service into forsaking BMW for another marque. I know a young merchant banker who had to endure such poor service in the upkeep of his E46 318i valvetronic. He got so disgusted he also changed to Mercedes. Today, he's the MD of a large public listed concern and he has never bought a BMW since. He told me BMW is a better driving car but he was still angered by the arrogance and incompetence of local service providers. I also know first hand of another accomplished biznesman who sold his 3 BMWs and replaced them with 3 Mercedes of the same class i.e. 7-series for S-Class. Guess what, even this guy admits the BMW was nicer to drive BUT..... Sad!!

I suggest that as a Club, we can come up with a paper highlighting BMW customer's biggest concerns in a constructive manner and give BMW a chance to let us know what concrete steps they're taking to resolve these issues. Realistically, if there are gonna be improvements, it will take time but at least we're assured that steps are being taken. For eg. the misrepresentations on duration of repair is a real bane. Even some smallish mechanics can adhere to completion within an agreed schedule, why can't BMW's authorised service providers?
 
Pity you what happen now Doc. Zul fark them again kalau tak tak sedar how these people work.
 
Zul,

I do agree with you that the mechanics need training....significant training. It was a frustration for me too when my VANOS is misaligned and they keep giving me promises that my car was ready by XXXX date that was always delayed. I had to take leave from my work due to these circumstances and I was very unhappy about it.

Stupid reasons such as the car has to be warm in order for proper operation of the VANOS was given to me when the car was jerking like crazy at idle was simply unprofessional. I decided to leave the car there for a WHOLE MONTH in order for them to fix the problem.....in which they managed to fix it..I think!!

Now my car has a loud engine problem....not sure what it is..another gruelling days of my car in the SC...but I think by far this SC is the best we got for now in Malaysia....

Such a disappointment that everytime i step into my car, I feel like something is wrong and that I will have trouble fixing them...:(

Goodbye BMW and welcome, heck...jap cars are better in terms of service.....
 
It's BMW Malaysia (Auto Bavaria) that sucks; Incompetent, and Unprofessional. The Sales Persons don't know their product, the Service Advisors are full of Bull, if the "Front Line" are so unknowledgeable, what more the Mechanics that you don't interact with? There just is not enough investment in human capital and an unwillingness to take responsibility for their low levels of service.

Why else would I drive down to Singapore to service my BMW?
 
If BMWs reason for for coming into Malaysia was to take direct control over the BMW brand, then this to me represents a gross failure of such a strategy.

Zul, I suggest that you escalate this matter to higher-ups in BMW Malaysia and not deal with mere dealers.

Although I do not work in customer service or sales, it does not take a genius to figure out that you represent the sort of customer BMW would like to GAIN and RETAIN - the sort that buys firmly into the BMW brand and lifestyle.

Good luck dude - may the force be with you!
 
Thanks Guys,

I think BMW Malaysia knows about my case. Up to them to take action or not because I don't care anymore. I'm just waiting to dispose off my car now if manage to get a reasonable offer. Otherwise looks like will have to keep the car but unlikely to change for another Bimmer.

BTW rezzy3181,

Have a nice dream of the car. I pray for your dream to come true and spared the nightmare that I have.

Regards.
 
Maybe you should check with Mercedes/Brabus owners what's the service is like at C & C and Naza first. From what I heard, it ain't significantly better than AB, this being Malaysia.

I used to go to C & C for Peugeot and Mazda. The Mazda people screwed up the gearbox coz they never did transmission fluid change. Drove the car all the way to Haatyai and on the way back, certain gears were free revving. Found out the gears no more teeth!

Luckily our car was sent there since day one but we still had to pay 50% of the gearbox replacement (RM9,000)!
 
Originally posted by OSFlanker@Aug 22 2005, 09:48 AM
Maybe you should check with Mercedes/Brabus owners what's the service is like at C & C and Naza first. From what I heard, it ain't significantly better than AB, this being Malaysia.

I used to go to C & C for Peugeot and Mazda. The Mazda people screwed up the gearbox coz they never did transmission fluid change. Drove the car all the way to Haatyai and on the way back, certain gears were free revving. Found out the gears no more teeth!

Luckily our car was sent there since day one but we still had to pay 50% of the gearbox replacement (RM9,000)!
Veli true too.... the service by C&C and Naza is not that much difference. Heard of comments from colleagues and neighbours. They have nothing good to say of them. They even asked me if I know of any other Merci specialists around....
 
Everywhere is the same izzit?? Malaysia Boleh right??!! Haha...
Sorry, just thought of lightening up the situation...

Sorry to hear about your problems Zul, but honestly... i don't think there's any one dealer of whatever car marque here in Malaysia, who actually invests the appropriate time, money and investments - human and technical, to ensure good after sales service.

I used to own Protons, Fiats, Alfa Romeos, BMWs, Volvos etc... their equivalent Edar, Torino, Milan Auto, AB, Federal Auto... all of their technical expertise and after sales service are way below par, compared to what i experienced as a customer during my time abroad...
 
Originally posted by artyca@Aug 22 2005, 08:04 AM
Everywhere is the same izzit?? Malaysia Boleh right??!! Haha...
Sorry, just thought of lightening up the situation...

Sorry to hear about your problems Zul, but honestly... i don't think there's any one dealer of whatever car marque here in Malaysia, who actually invests the appropriate time, money and investments - human and technical, to ensure good after sales service.

I used to own Protons, Fiats, Alfa Romeos, BMWs, Volvos etc... their equivalent Edar, Torino, Milan Auto, AB, Federal Auto... all of their technical expertise and after sales service are way below par, compared to what i experienced as a customer during my time abroad...
So, as a biznes strategy in a situation where the competition is just as bad, wouldn't it be a relatively easy advantage to attain by improving levels of service one notch above the competition?! ;) Why isn't this being done?!
 
My understanding of the situation now is that all the dealer is the same. I hope the CBU car will be of better quality and lees problem. Especially so with reputable car already tuned by a reputable tuner.

Juan, are you member of the BMW previlage? Tell U the truth I've registered to them more than 3 times but don't get anything and each time try to log in failed saying that I'm not a registered member. So what previlage do we get? It will be more problematic to send the car in Klang Valley but for me it is just 5 mins drive to the service centre.
 
Originally posted by Zul@Aug 22 2005, 08:38 AM
My understanding of the situation now is that all the dealer is the same. I hope the CBU car will be of better quality and lees problem. Especially so with reputable car already tuned by a reputable tuner.

Juan, are you member of the BMW previlage? Tell U the truth I've registered to them more than 3 times but don't get anything and each time try to log in failed saying that I'm not a registered member. So what previlage do we get? It will be more problematic to send the car in Klang Valley but for me it is just 5 mins drive to the service centre.
Zul, I registered to be a member and have no problems logging in. I also haven't made use of their 'privileges'. I find them quite irrelevant to my interests.
 
juan powerblow... totally agree with ya about improving service quality levels!!!
One thing that needs mention... Investment...
Malaysian businesses i believe, always look at ROI... they do not want to invest too much in non-cash generating operations - RND, technical training, after sales service etc. and this is the reason why they focus predominantly on sales and not on after sales. Yes, they could raise things a notch and outshine the competition but the change in mindset has to be there, and it has to start from the top!!
 
Zul,

CBU cars i think are a bit more up to standard....anyway at least I know Walrus_Lord has been experiencing ~zero problems with his car...

But a different case of mine....
1. VANOS misalignment.
2. Alternator failure.
3. Timing belt and pulleys have to be changed to due pre-mature wear (only 2 years and less than 35K mileage??)
4. And now.....engine is loud....might be header issue....:(

Oh yeah JPB, Honda service is way better..I second that. Whatever that was promised is delivered, at least that's what i experienced..

Damn BMWs.....I don't think I would ever want to own one more again....unless someone turns the table on the service quality....
 
Originally posted by artyca@Aug 22 2005, 10:50 AM
juan powerblow... totally agree with ya about improving service quality levels!!!
One thing that needs mention... Investment...
Malaysian businesses i believe, always look at ROI... they do not want to invest too much in non-cash generating operations - RND, technical training, after sales service etc. and this is the reason why they focus predominantly on sales and not on after sales. Yes, they could raise things a notch and outshine the competition but the change in mindset has to be there, and it has to start from the top!!
Thanks and I agree that change must permeate from an enlightened and inspired higher management. I think ROI as a performance indicator is highly short-sighted in this instance and concepts which apply elsewhere under different circumstances may not apply or may even be counter-productive in other environments. In my opinion, tho our auto market is dynamic, it has also become very saturated i.e. now the 3-series not only has the C-Class to contend with but also the S40, S60, 156, A4 etc etc such as IS200. Hence, the growth track must also encapsulate gaining market share over the competition. To do that, one must determine a competitive edge. If other competitors have bad aftersales service but BMW makes a quantum leap in theirs, don't you think this will improve business in the immediate and long term? I think Mercedes has been gaining ground here and reinforcing their customers' pride in ownership. BMW has not done enough to shape up their front line even with the principal's more direct involvement. Just my 2 sens... :beaten:
 
BTW rezzy3181,

Have a nice dream of the car. I pray for your dream to come true and spared the nightmare that I have.

Regards.


Well Doc Zul if happen also I don't think I will sent for service with them,
I only did servicing on my Mazda those days with Asia motors and got no complain as I can watch what they did and that was at Jalan Pudu, then I went to Federal H/Way centre I was not allowed to enter the service bay so thats the last, I start going out to ex staff and did it at their house and happy about it. At last when I want to sell my car he grap it as he knows how I maintain it and after 6 years in my hand from new just imagine I lost only 1K from the new price where in our life can we sell a car to loose only 1K, Its just like a dream, then as car prices gone up so high within the years....mine you my mileage was 600k sold even no overhaul or even change my drive shaft, to me its a good car worth ever cents.

Regards to you
 
Originally posted by Zul@Aug 21 2005, 07:58 PM
Thanks Guys,

I think BMW Malaysia knows about my case. Up to them to take action or not because I don't care anymore. I'm just waiting to dispose off my car now if manage to get a reasonable offer. Otherwise looks like will have to keep the car but unlikely to change for another Bimmer.

BTW rezzy3181,

Have a nice dream of the car. I pray for your dream to come true and spared the nightmare that I have.

Regards.
AB really screw up. My friend took his E46 after changing the gearbox. Guess what it leaks again in less than a month after the car was stuck in AB for months.
 
Originally posted by Zul@Aug 21 2005, 07:58 PM
Thanks Guys,

I think BMW Malaysia knows about my case. Up to them to take action or not because I don't care anymore. I'm just waiting to dispose off my car now if manage to get a reasonable offer. Otherwise looks like will have to keep the car but unlikely to change for another Bimmer.

BTW rezzy3181,

Have a nice dream of the car. I pray for your dream to come true and spared the nightmare that I have.

Regards.
AB really screw up. My friend took his E46 after changing the gearbox. Guess what it leaks again in less than a month after the car was stuck in AB for months.
 
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