Proton favor end of life policy

[cloudbuster]

Proton, just leave us retro car owners alone. I'll rather push my 33 year old cedric or my 41 year old beetle than to drive one of your silly newer craps. Our prerogative of car choice, no matter how old, is ours to make, and no discriminatory policy should be forced down our throats.

If Proton can't sell cars and can't survive an open economy, then just close shop and let it be. Just like the Chinese saying, it's better to suffer a shorter period of time rather than suffer for a longer period. No need to worry about retrenched workers or crony companies going bust. Surely with the number of years of head-start acquired, they must be competent enough earn their bread in a similar industry.

 

[genius328i]

Proton still carry Malaysia name. Whatever issue that been suggest, still can be consider. Although most of people tend to critic on the negative side of proton.

Just imagine, in the middle of german full of bmw suddenly someone proudly drive a proton. Did this will make small impression as a malaysian to be proud of even the car is not perfect. Just my humble opinion lorr.

Apply for job at proton and make improvement. it will make different instead of giving negative feedback. Again, just my humble opinion. good day.

 

[cloudbuster]

At the end of the day, it's an open economy, let the people CHOOSE what they want to buy.

 

[Hammer278]

Proton still carry Malaysia name. Whatever issue that been suggest, still can be consider. Although most of people tend to critic on the negative side of proton.

Just imagine, in the middle of german full of bmw suddenly someone proudly drive a proton. Did this will make small impression as a malaysian to be proud of even the car is not perfect. Just my humble opinion lorr.

Apply for job at proton and make improvement. it will make different instead of giving negative feedback. Again, just my humble opinion. good day.

Admire your patriotism but I don't buy it. I wish Proton is a great car to be proud of, but it's not. Each car they come out with is a laughing stock to the public. I'm pretty sure if the cars are good quality, we'd have no problems with choosing them over imported cars!

My biggest issue with this pestiferous company is they are doing their very best efforts to eliminate the competition. Which is against the nation's best interest, because the nation WANTS competition, as they provide good quality cars which can provide safety, performance, and yes - style. All three which Proton lacks in any of their cars. It's like Proton is living by the motto 'If you can't beat them, kill em all'.

 

[genius328i]

Admire your patriotism but I don't buy it. I wish Proton is a great car to be proud of, but it's not. Each car they come out with is a laughing stock to the public. I'm pretty sure if the cars are good quality, we'd have no problems with choosing them over imported cars!

My biggest issue with this pestiferous company is they are doing their very best efforts to eliminate the competition. Which is against the nation's best interest, because the nation WANTS competition, as they provide good quality cars which can provide safety, performance, and yes - style. All three which Proton lacks in any of their cars. It's like Proton is living by the motto 'If you can't beat them, kill em all'.

I agrre with your statements with all the issue. Total agree, but then did we did anything positive to make this little company with bad reputation become better??

They can set the price and set the people minded to buy but not people principal. Its only either we willing to do some effort to help by any approach OR critic and hope the company down and become history. Its up to the people.

Try see from wider point of view..it will make sense and clear your doubt. Maybe. g.luck!
Enjoy your weekend!:willy:

 

[affan66]

end of life doesn't mean you can't own older cars. I still see classics in Singapore and other countries that have end of life policies.
the recommendation must come with many other policy changes, eg AP, import/excise duties etc. Maybe congestion charges too but when the public transport is good.
Other manufacturers would also prefer end of life policy too. If not, who'll buy their new cars?

 

[Hammer278]

I agrre with your statements with all the issue. Total agree, but then did we did anything positive to make this little company with bad reputation become better??

They can set the price and set the people minded to buy but not people principal. Its only either we willing to do some effort to help by any approach OR critic and hope the company down and become history. Its up to the people.

Try see from wider point of view..it will make sense and clear your doubt. Maybe. g.luck!
Enjoy your weekend!:willy:

I'm not going to quit my current job and join fresh in with Proton trying to make them better mate.

 

[fabianyee]

There are capable talents in Proton, however, business decisions are not made by them. U can have the best R&D prototypes but it's still up to the 'heads' to say go or no go...

 

[andrewk]

Apply for job at proton and make improvement. it will make different instead of giving negative feedback. Again, just my humble opinion. good day.

I did..... but my application for CEO somehow was not responded too....

Jokes aside, I agree as a start up national interest company, some sort of protection is required to give it a kick start. But, its been almost 30 years already wei....

I remember speaking to a Proton executive a few years back asking him how come as an automobile manufacturer, we are not as successful as the Koreans, e.g. Hyundai. His reply was, Hyundai started more than 15 years before Proton, thats why they are more successful. Give them time, he said. My reply was, Toyota started over 40 years before Hyundai, but now, Hyundai is now competing with Toyota head on, even beating them in some US survey (I cant remember which one.... that was 3 - 4 years ago). The fella change subject after that.......

Learn from the Koreans la.... they also started with Mitsubishi tech...look where they are right now.... They are to the Japanese Car Manufacturer what the Japanese Car Manufacturer were to the Americans 20 - 30 year back.

 

[saifulila68]

I don't know why Proton CEO propose this kind a "stupid" policy???:stupid: If Proton could produce a good quality product to Malaysian people, why he try to sacrifice other people interest. Malaysia is democracy country. Let Malaysian decide what's their needs.

If we compare the quality of Proton and BMW, is like "Langit dengan Bumi".. I think my 20 years old E34 much more better than new Proton. How long Proton car could maintain their performance on Malaysia road? Trust me, not even more than 5 years!! Very disppointed. :motz:

We don't talk about patriotism. Whose owned BMW or others model than Proton still the Malaysian citizen. We only could proud, that Malaysia can produce a car. But remember, the quality still not good as others like BMW, Merc, Audi or Japs.

In this matter, quality, comfortable, price, less problem and brand name are mostly common requirement for those whose wants to buy car. Hence, Proton suppose to do something about it. Not to try to eliminate old cars. Proton CEO shall think how to upgrade not to eliminate others car especially old car. Not gentleman like this Bro... :10: :fight:

 

[cloudbuster]

There are generally 3 groups of people who are currently driving old cars:

- Group A: Poor citizens who can't afford to buy new ones, how else would they drive one.
- Group B: Classic & Retro car lovers who are passionate about the old cars they drive.
- Group C: People who can easily afford to buy new cars but choose not to because they see cars as only a liability and a convenient means to get around. Hence, they choose to drive fully-paid old cars.

Nevertheless, the majority of old car drivers may belong to Group A. Having a EOL policy is technically acceptable, but what's going to happen to our poorer friends who are mostly from the rural areas? Are we, as a country, is ready for this?

Being a national company, Proton, should be more ethical in its pursuit of market share. What good is a national car when the most deserving population of the rakyat is going to suffer for years to come just because one of our national companies needs crutches to stay afloat. I don't see a good risk management here. I only see the majority of the rakyat being in debt for years to come.

 

[ramsing]

I agrre with your statements with all the issue. Total agree, but then did we did anything positive to make this little company with bad reputation become better??

They can set the price and set the people minded to buy but not people principal. Its only either we willing to do some effort to help by any approach OR critic and hope the company down and become history. Its up to the people.

Try see from wider point of view..it will make sense and clear your doubt. Maybe. g.luck!
Enjoy your weekend!:willy:

hehehe....m'sians have been doing positive things to proton since the start, by being forced to buy the car. what else can you want? but rather than improve, those in power is out to make a quick buck. look at the quality of parts and you will know where the money is going. who wouldn't, if you were in their shoes.

but anyways, the govt wont look at this now. after the next gen elections, who knows. right now every vote counts, especially from keta buruk owners

 

[initialM]

:thefinger::thefinger::thefinger:

hehehe....m'sians have been doing positive things to proton since the start, by being forced to buy the car. what else can you want? but rather than improve, those in power is out to make a quick buck. look at the quality of parts and you will know where the money is going. who wouldn't, if you were in their shoes.

but anyways, the govt wont look at this now. after the next gen elections, who knows. right now every vote counts, especially from keta buruk owners

Later your keta buruk no value already can pass to me:top: Good policy:thefinger:
If buy new car who want to buy 2nd hand car? Scrap for 5k?

geez cant stop using my finger:thefinger::thefinger::thefinger:

 

[affan66]

I don't blame the CEO. He's got his own KPIs.
I put it on the policy makers for flip flopping and not being firm in making Malaysia an automotive hub.

If you were the CEO of Proton, wouldn't you do the same?
I see a lot of improvement in Proton since the launch of Exora, Persona and Saga. These are decent cars IMHO. Yes, a lot of crap came from Proton before but what to do. It was run by a few folks. And some of these folks still can't let go. I think even if 6 feet under also still want to be in power... @#@#%#$%#$

 

[HaqimRashid]

end of life doesn't mean you can't own older cars. I still see classics in Singapore and other countries that have end of life policies.
the recommendation must come with many other policy changes, eg AP, import/excise duties etc. Maybe congestion charges too but when the public transport is good.
Other manufacturers would also prefer end of life policy too. If not, who'll buy their new cars?

I couldn't agree more with Affan on this..

 

[bmw4eva]

There are generally 3 groups of people who are currently driving old cars:

- Group A: Poor citizens who can't afford to buy new ones, how else would they drive one.
- Group B: Classic & Retro car lovers who are passionate about the old cars they drive.
- Group C: People who can easily afford to buy new cars but choose not to because they see cars as only a liability and a convenient means to get around. Hence, they choose to drive fully-paid old cars.

Nevertheless, the majority of old car drivers may belong to Group A. Having a EOL policy is technically acceptable, but what's going to happen to our poorer friends who are mostly from the rural areas? Are we, as a country, is ready for this?

Being a national company, Proton, should be more ethical in its pursuit of market share. What good is a national car when the most deserving population of the rakyat is going to suffer for years to come just because one of our national companies needs crutches to stay afloat. I don't see a good risk management here. I only see the majority of the rakyat being in debt for years to come.

You forgot Group D: Retirees who cannot get a car loan from any bank, so they have no choice but to buy a car using cash money(i.e. second hand cars).

As for me, I buy my cars cash for two reasons:

1.I simply don't want to be bothered with monthly payments. I already have enough monthly bills as it is.

2.If my business takes a nosedive and need quick cash to recover, I can simply sell one of my cars to get it. Can't sell a car and get cash if the car has a loan on it.Normally, I would have to top up some more.

3.I don't want to be clobbered by depreciation.I bought my E39 for RM46k and my '95 Audi A6 V6 for RM18k.Both my cars are now currently valued at very close to what I paid for them 2 to 5 years ago respectively, meaning I don't lose much in depreciation at all.Imagine if I bought a new Proton 3 years ago? How much would I have lost in depreciation? You guys can do the math.

 

[andrewk]

As for me, I buy my cars cash for two reasons:

1.I simply don't want to be bothered with monthly payments. I already have enough monthly bills as it is.

2.If my business takes a nosedive and need quick cash to recover, I can simply sell one of my cars to get it. Can't sell a car and get cash if the car has a loan on it.Normally, I would have to top up some more.

3.I don't want to be clobbered by depreciation.I bought my E39 for RM46k and my '95 Audi A6 V6 for RM18k.Both my cars are now currently valued at very close to what I paid for them 2 to 5 years ago respectively, meaning I don't lose much in depreciation at all.Imagine if I bought a new Proton 3 years ago? How much would I have lost in depreciation? You guys can do the math.

Totally agree with point 3... but bro, gotta learn to count le... hahaha...j/k

After using my E34 for 3 years, I sold it at a loss of less than 10k (including mods and maintenance)... I would've lost that much driving a new car out of the show room...

 

[bmw4eva]

Sorry andrewk, i was typing it half conscious.Didn't get much sleep last night 'cause my niece wouldn't stop crying all night.

 

[Ecc0]

..does anyone knows what car using CEO of Proton?? Im just wondering is it some kool Proton model or maybe some...hot import??

 

[Ecc0]

..does anyone knows what car using Proton CEO?? Im just wondering is it some kool Proton model or maybe some...hot import??