E46 328i Vs Honda Accord 3.0L

[fire]

It is not the speed that matters...but the handling is way different...what is the power all about without handling....

 

[Juan Powerblow]

on paper:

The accord churns 240 bhp at 6250 rpms and a maximum torque of 287Nm at 5000 rpms

The BMW 330i churns 231bhp at 5900 rpms and a maximum torque of 300Nm at 3,500 rpms

Given the stats the BMW should prevail getting to 180 kmh faster than the accord but the weight of the BMW may take a toll on its performance.

I think the 330i will prevail easily. In manual guise, the 330i is a sub-6 secs car with "superior" variable valve technology. Can Zoggee arrange a test at PNDC? WL, it's your new babey vs. some fella you can rope in from HCOC.

 

[fabianyee]

for these 2 cars, should play rolling start.... 0-100kph or 1/4 mile test won't tell who got better torque curve

 

[dumeort]

Dumeort...Steptronic is still an auto la. Unless it's the SMG.

ic.... thankz for the info.

I ask honda driver they said 3.0L will win in straight road.

 

[Daniel]

on paper:

The accord churns 240 bhp at 6250 rpms and a maximum torque of 287Nm at 5000 rpms

The BMW 330i churns 231bhp at 5900 rpms and a maximum torque of 300Nm at 3,500 rpms

Given the stats the BMW should prevail getting to 180 kmh faster than the accord but the weight of the BMW may take a toll on its performance.

to get a more accurate comparison, better include power to weight figures........
just by looking at the power & torque output is only good if the engines were racing each other and not in their respectful cars.

 

[Daniel]

If you're going FI, go with a supercharger....linear power delivery

Depends...... If you're going to be happy with the ceiling output of around 300hp. This is just an estimated figure without additional major work like cams, new ECU, pistons, rods, strenghtening of the gearbox, fuel pumps, torque converters (if auto), etc.... the list is endless.

Supercharging is the easy and possibly the safest way to get more power, simply due to the numerus SC kits being available now, but its capabilities are somewhat limited to how much power it can give. I know because i am living with that problem now.

Turbo charging is much better as the possibilites are larger. More available power, and easier to attain. But, such a kit, your tuner has to fabricate and retrofit into your right-hand drive E46.

 

[dumeort]

how much would it cost me to install one ?

 

[danc]

Hi Guys,

Hope you all don't mind but would like to share abit. Found this site as I am looking to change my 3.0 accord to an E90. Let me state that I don't go racing on public roads etc. but here is my take. The power linearity of the 3.0 VTEC is better than the 328 auto, manual... cannot compare lah not fair . (My neighbour drives a 328 auto and have tried the car a couple of times) 0-100 km/h the accord will be slower at about 8 sec (A/C on and just driver) but when the accord is in its stride say crusing at 120-150 km/h over taking at these speeds is no problem just stomp down and it will hit 200 km/h easily. The VTEC engine gets a second wind past 4500 rpm and will pull all the way to redline. This is very intoxicating and just love doing this once in a while when the roads are really clear. (However lately, since last year or so have been driving like an Ah Pek never drove faster than 110, age setting in I guess)

I heard that the 3.0 accord has a built in speed limiter at 215 km/h but maybe that guy may have removed it. So for a 328 to take on a 3.0 accord on the straight roads my guess is the 328 will be sucking on the 3.0's fumes BUT get on to the twisties the 3.0 will be left for dead. All the power but no way of putting in down in the bends.

I believe sometimes it's not only the power-to-weight ratio that determines speed. Driving a rear wheel drive through a longer drive shaft will need to be factored in say versus a FWD car.

Just my thoughts Cheers and drive safely

on paper:

The accord churns 240 bhp at 6250 rpms and a maximum torque of 287Nm at 5000 rpms

The BMW 330i churns 231bhp at 5900 rpms and a maximum torque of 300Nm at 3,500 rpms

Given the stats the BMW should prevail getting to 180 kmh faster than the accord but the weight of the BMW may take a toll on its performance.

 

[KL2DC]

Actually a 330i manual should beat a slushmatic Accord 3.0 V6....namely because of gearing and also because german horses tend to be brawnier than japanese ones.

As good as the engine is in the accord, its limited by the automatic. You guys should try the Accord 3.0 V6 with the 6MT in coupe guise....its a very accomplished car, great power delivery/sounds and the 6mt feels better than a BMW's MT. The MT really wakes the Accord up but again at the end of the day, the car is limited by its family-car FWD platform. Same can be said for the 268 hp Acura TL (based on Accord platform). I've driven both in auto and MT and the car is frickin' fast but tend to get a little torque-steery (but not as bad as the 3.5l VQ-engined Nissan Maxima) and very nose heavy in the corners.

 

[Zoggee]

Actually a 330i manual should beat a slushmatic Accord 3.0 V6....namely because of gearing and also because german horses tend to be brawnier than japanese ones.

As good as the engine is in the accord, its limited by the automatic. You guys should try the Accord 3.0 V6 with the 6MT in coupe guise....its a very accomplished car, great power delivery/sounds and the 6mt feels better than a BMW's MT. The MT really wakes the Accord up but again at the end of the day, the car is limited by its family-car FWD platform. Same can be said for the 268 hp Acura TL (based on Accord platform). I've driven both in auto and MT and the car is frickin' fast but tend to get a little torque-steery (but not as bad as the 3.5l VQ-engined Nissan Maxima) and very nose heavy in the corners.

Honda faster.......

 

[walrus_lord]

I think the 330i will prevail easily. In manual guise, the 330i is a sub-6 secs car with "superior" variable valve technology. Can Zoggee arrange a test at PNDC? WL, it's your new babey vs. some fella you can rope in from HCOC.

JPB, what new babey?

 

[Zee77]

Dumeort, i think the accord is definitely more powerful and lighter compared with ur 328i.. Also, there is a noticable lag in the power delivery of the 328i.. I reckon this is mainly due to the automatic gearbox.. I myself have been humbled by the new A4 Turbo at the traffic lights!! However, this should not be the reason to modify ur current ride.. The 328i is still a good car.. DRive with pride.. The price for supercharger/turbo conversion is approx >RM15K.. Many components need to be modded and the job is massive..

 

[1+2=3]

just some interesting facts from the honda malaysia website.
These are the figures for the new facelifted version.. apparently, the pre-facelift cars have less power overall.

Current Accord 3.0 V6 (5speed auto)
Max HP: 240@6250rpm
Max torque: 287@5000rpm

weight: 1556kg
wheel size: 206/60/16
source: www.honda.com.my

yr2000 E46 328i
Max HP: 193
Max torque: 279.3

weight: 1369.9 kg
source: http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z2332/default.aspx

 

[danc]

1+2=3,
There is no power increase for the face lift 3.0 accord. 240 ps and 287 Nm has been available since day one. Only the 2.4 engine has increased its bhp and torque, everything else on the 3.0 is the same except now the facelift has stability control while the pre facelift 3.0 only had traction control.

KL2DC,
Agree with you, no brainer that the manual will have the slushbox for breakfast. I believe I read some where that on average the auto torque converter saps 20-25% of power.

Hmm, manual accord shifts better than the BM. Well, never had the chance to drive a manual 3.0 VTEC before let alone the manual 3.0 accord coupe version. Heard that it's pretty populor in US, right?

Anyway when it comes to gear box, my dream gear box is the VW DSG. It's so sweet, fast and just makes you weep with joy everytime to go through the gears. Tested when I drove the latest Golf GTi. Even the BMW SMG II is not even close. Has anyone seen the DSG compared to a standard manual on paultan's website, it's in Jap but very funny and interesting to see the DSG beat the standard manaul.

Cheers

just some interesting facts from the honda website.
These are the figures for the new facelifted version.. apparently, the pre-facelift cars have less power overall.

accord 3.0 V6 (5speed auto)
Max HP: 240@6250rpm
Max torque: 287@5000rpm

curbweight: 1556kg
wheel size: 206/60/16

Accord is heavier i believe, and the 328 has more torque(slightly), on paper anyways.

 

[Juan Powerblow]

just some interesting facts from the honda malaysia website.
These are the figures for the new facelifted version.. apparently, the pre-facelift cars have less power overall.

Current Accord 3.0 V6 (5speed auto)
Max HP: 240@6250rpm
Max torque: 287@5000rpm

weight: 1556kg
wheel size: 206/60/16
source: www.honda.com.my

yr2000 E46 328i
Max HP: 193
Max torque: 279.3

weight: 1369.9 kg
source: http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z2332/default.aspx

Eh? I find the Accord being heavier a bit odd but yet again, it's a bigger car! With those figures i.e. almost identical torque, the E46 328i should be able to trounce the Accord or am I being blur again?!!

 

[danc]

JPB,

My humble opnion. I don't think that torque/weight ratio is the only indicator here. If I am right, torque is important say for 0-100 where you need the initial twisting force to move, once on the move especially when you are running above 100km/h, power comes into play more than torque. I did mention earlier that 0-100 timing both the cars maybe the same or the 328 might be faster. (I know that the 3.0 accord does it in 8+secs). Once on the move it's the other way around.

Just my dua sens

Eh? I find the Accord being heavier a bit odd but yet again, it's a bigger car! With those figures i.e. almost identical torque, the E46 328i should be able to trounce the Accord or am I being blur again?!!

 

[Juan Powerblow]

JPB,

My humble opnion. I don't think that torque/weight ratio is the only indicator here. If I am right, torque is important say for 0-100 where you need the initial twisting force to move, once on the move especially when you are running above 100km/h, power comes into play more than torque. I did mention earlier that 0-100 timing both the cars maybe the same or the 328 might be faster. (I know that the 3.0 accord does it in 8+secs). Once on the move it's the other way around.

Just my dua sens

Thanks, danc. You could well be right. In any case, I better check the badge on any Accord b4 I decide to tiong, heh...

 

[fabianyee]

The 3.0 can't follow me on long sweeper, let alone twisty...

 

[1+2=3]

hi danc you're right on the 2.4 and 3.0 power figures.. i got confused with that. but then again, i'm no big fan of straightline speed as well, if i wanted that, I'd probably bought a fiat coupe turbo or something..

as for the use of DSG, SMG..etc.. interestingly enough, M division doesn't think too highly of automated manuals, they say it lacks pure driving feel. thats the reason they gave anyways, for launching the new M Z4 with a manual only. Porsche also believes in the philosophy of using a pure manual. i tend to agree with them as well.. on a personal choice.

 

[danc]

JPB,

Don't worry too much, there aren't many 3.0 accord on our roads, so tiong away.

Fabian,
Long sweepers are challenging for family tuned sedans. I found the stock tires for the 3.0 insufficient. Once I changed up to 18 in tires, the car handles completely differently and long sweepers are ok now though I still don't race around corners. Bottomline a jap mobile is still a jap mobile.

123,
Agree that gear feel is very personal. Anyway I found the link to the video of the DSG comparison. Here it is
http://paultan.org/archives/2006/04/25/volkswagen-dsg-direct-shift-gearbox/.
Not sure if I am allowed to post other blogs/website links here if not, sorry Mod please remove it. Enjoy the clip.