Burgernomics

[infinityKL]

oi... u both got so much time mehhh... my eys damn pain wei reading both your posts.... seksa siulll

good sense of humor,...i just finish reading. and ur post ended the pain..hehe. Anyway good reading!!!

cheers...

 

[flash]

oi... u both got so much time mehhh... my eys damn pain wei reading both your posts.... seksa siulll

Not sure about sanjay but lee has plenty of time one, most of the time, you can find him hanging out in Starbucks, admiring his Beemer being parked nearby, the shine, the beauty, etc, etc....

 

[sithwarrior]

Not sure about sanjay but lee has plenty of time one, most of the time, you can find him hanging out in Starbucks, admiring his Beemer being parked nearby, the shine, the beauty, etc, etc....

you also caught him lehhh

 

[Lee36328]

I hear your pain, dude, but what is the reality?
My friend “reality” is not be ignorant.

Surely you mean, one should not be ignorant of reality? "Reality" is not to be ignorant - does not make grammatical sense.

Business is about profit, not about right or wrong, or about morality, or human rights. There are other organisations for that.
Business should not only be about profiting my friend, it’s everything about right & wrong and morality, human rights – rights that every living person have, rich or poor, the freedom, justice, having the power to stand together and make a change.
Tell me will there be an organization without people standing up? And if it did, without an active stand “this raping of resourses” in the name of profit, will never stop. And this organization will soon be an expandable one, buddy.
Without the VOICE of the MANY, do you really think we are able to enjoy what we have today. Yes, I’m talking about the 70% of the world population whose not rich[safe]

Business should not be about profitting. Yes, emphasis on should.

Business IS about profitting. Reality. Emphasis on IS. Remember your statement earlier? One should not be ignorant of reality?

So, we are not in disagreement here. Your view is what the ideal world, esp of business, should be like. I am merely stating, as the burger documentary that so shocked you showed, what reality IS.

Religion is about right or wrong, and even that is often manipulated by people to further their own agenda of either profit or power, but that's another thread.
l put no stock in religion, by the word 'religion' i've seen the lunacy of every denomination be called the will of GOD.
Holiness - is in the right action & courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves. And Goodness, what god desires, is here(brain) & here(heart) by what you decide to do everyday, you will be a goodman or not.
Like you said mate,it’s another thread

Wise wise words there, on the lunacy of Man marquerading under the guise of religion. This deserves a couple of drinks and a long discussion.

To imagine business should be about conscience, is to have an ideal view, and how wonderful it would be if the idealism can be realised, but as human history has shown, it is an idealism which unfortunately cannot prevail in the real world.
I disagree I friend,
“……. if the idealism can be realized?”,[an example[- well for one – ain’t we an independent country, do you think one man's voice alone could’ve done it? Take South Africa,today, it's a FREE nation,man - from a profiting minority white power. If powers like this can be persuaded to see profiting the wrong way will eventually come to end. Imagine what we can do collectively. So, what I’m saying is don’t be ignorant start somewhere, don’t assume that there are organization for this kind of things, and when shit hits the fan – simply complaint, ask yourself what have you done.

Let me re-state here. Business is about profits.

South Africa's apartheid was not ended by a business organisation. It was ended by another type of organisation.

Is it clear enough now? Different types of organisations exist for different reasons. Business exist for profit, by definition. Here's a quick dictionary definition, ok? "Business - a person, partnership, or corporation engaged in commerce, manufacturing, or a service; profit-seeking enterprise or concern"

There's another word for the organisations you are talking about; charity, NGO, non-profit, governmental, to name a few.

If business has conscience, then cigarette companies, to quote and simplify one example for the sake of illustrating a principle, should voluntarily get out of the business. Unfortunately, the profits are too tempting, and cigarette companies have been doing a PR dance around all the studies that show nicotine causes cancer.
Yes, perhaps you're right we can’t shut this guys down, but we can make them work harder to find ways to consistently to who know a “SAFER”smoke,perhaps?. History has shown no great battles are won in a single day. 30years ago, did our fathers even imagined the Untouchable, most riches, biggest taxpaying companies in the WORLD would be forced to print this message ” surgeon general’s warning, smoking causes lung cancer” taking up 30% of the cool designed cigarette boxes. Did you know, in the 50’s Camel [I think] had ads with doctors saying smoking is good for health?
My point here is, with us voicing and pressuring, MR.PROFIT is being more careful, and hopeful one day the battle will be won. As long it’s Demand and Supply, anything’s possible, remember nothing is forever – that goes for the good, and most definitely for the BAD .

Where there's demand, there will be supply, because business seeks profits. Banning cigarettes will simply send it underground, like other drugs. Again, I am simply stating a fact, not making a moral statement.

If business has conscience, then property dvelopment companies should not develop residences right next to ultra high voltage cables when they run out of prime land, like we see today, ignoring the possible link with cancer.
Yes,my friend. But as educated people – when we start voicing out this danger, do you really think people are stupid enough to go on buying this properties - today, Maybe before but not anymore. But if they did before, their investment has no resale value[nobody wants it]now. That’s why, we should educate, not take the “TIDAKAPA” attitude, as long as our beautiful home is carefully pick, why care about others, is that it? Don’t be selfish, voice out do something about it, I did,once!

Just wondering, sidetrack a bit, what happened after you voiced it out?

If business has conscience, then mobile phone companies should stop producing mobile phones until we have a definitive study done to see whether prolonged exposure to mobile phone frequencies causes tumour in the brain or not.
Friend, that’s why we should encourage everyone to use hands free or when they’re alone – on speaker. Please, advocate solution, again NOT ignorant.
If like that we should not stop here, why drink tap water? Everyone knows it dirty, right? SOLUTION.

So, what is the solution you advocate to the burger industry, which is all about profit, like any other business?

If business has a conscience, then the NRA will stop vetoing any gun-control law they try to pass in the I hear you here, mate. That’s why docu and docu movies has successfully open so many eyes, And as we speak, so many states in
America has slowly enforcing gun control laws. Do we think this could’ve happen by simply excepting it each time an innocent victim dies? If we ignorant, really, how many of us know about the GUN policy in America

The list goes on endlessly.
EXAMPLE
Remember in mid 70 [correct me if I’m wrong], the America people started to stop buying their cars because they REALISED these cars were fuel guzzler and not environment friendly, the big car boys like GM said so what, it’s not going to effect them. But it did, more and more enviro safer ie Japanese and European car makes made a impact on the US car market. Today they’re forced to change, to survive. See, that’s what I talking about.

Yes, only when the demand cease will the supply cease, again, because it is profit-driven. In the long run, when we stop asking for products which offends our sense of morality, business will comply. Which brings me neatly to the concept of "the invisible hand."

The invisible hand is a metaphor coined by the economist Adam Smith to illustrate how those who seek wealth by following their individual self-interest, stimulate the economy as a secondary effect and thus assist society as a whole.

Only recently, with evidence of global warming staring at mankind's noses, do we see societies doing something about it.
Lets ask ourselves, why only recently? It’s because good changes has never happen overnight, my friend, especially when you’re against big & powerful corporations/government interest. This societies doing something is recently, is not really recent. It’s been along battle, by a small group of people, but today thank god more and more people are making a deference by not taking the back seat, advocating for better tomorrow - putting pressure. And that’s why we’re see - some responds today.

You are talking activism. I am talking business.

I recall reading about global warming more than twenty years ago. Back then, for every study supporting the theory, there was another debunking it. We have to look closely at who sponsored those studies to see the real motives behind it.
That’s my point, look closer and don’t shy away.

Was that your point? I thought your point was your surprise at how business exists solely for profit?

Unfortunately, business, run by humans, is a reflection of human nature, and that is of greed, and enriching oneself, regardless of consequences.
I hope you’re not saying all business are ran by greed to enriching oneself, regardless of consequences - Then we are doomed. But you know what, I’ll never settle for this inhumane selfish act. I will do all that it takes to do my part of what’s RIGHT - by what i decide to do everyday. I too run a very competitive business with a conscience, and I’ve always surfaced above sea level, but to profit in wrong way, i rather see it die because nothing bad ever lasted, anyway.

You can bemoan human nature all you want, but it will never change. It is in our DNA. Evolution has seen to that.

Slowly, we are awakening to our responsibility as keepers of this planet and behave responsibility in all our endeavours. Hopefully, we will reach full awareness in time. However, business, as long as human nature is human nature, will always be about profits. It is the very definition of business.
The problem is we take this planet and everything in it as a fully furnished rented house, never as our own house. So, then the attitude is – I’m paying for everything, right so f@#k it. thats why we are here.


Is it so hard to profit, without destruction?

goodday lee36328.

Good point.

So why is it so hard to get people to pay membership so that they do not treat this place as a rented/free house?

Good day. Thanks for the nice discussion.

 

[Lee36328]

oi... u both got so much time mehhh... my eys damn pain wei reading both your posts.... seksa siulll

Not sure about sanjay but lee has plenty of time one, most of the time, you can find him hanging out in Starbucks, admiring his Beemer being parked nearby, the shine, the beauty, etc, etc....

you also caught him lehhh

For good examples of time-wasting activities, refer above posts.

Relevant ideas or comments are most welcomed.

 

[sanjay nv]

lee36328 my friend,
lets buy both of us a drink,and we shall talk on why 'South Africa's apartheid was all about profit', the burger issue to the the lunacy of Man marquerading under the guise of religion. Why i even tell you what happened after i voiced it out.

we'll catchup sometime,mate.
GOODday to you,buddy.