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I have been watching the trap speeds, and am guessing the honor goes to either Renault or Merc Benz..-----BMW wins Engine of the Year awardBMW has won this year's International Engine of the Year awards with its 5.0-litre V10 unit from the new BMW M5. The 507bhp engine, which will also be seen in the forthcoming M6 Coupe, was picked by a panel of judges from around the world, who praised the engine's flexibility and high power output. The company finished second as well with the 3.0-litre twin-turbo diesel engine that powers the BMW 535d.BMW's formidable reputation as an engine-builder is not currently making much of an impression in F1 where the company has not won a race this year. in Munich some think this is the fault of Williams but in England the word is that the team would be doing a lot better if some of BMW was doing a better job. There are suggestions that the engines are not as powerful as the other frontrunners and that the traction-control systems devised in Munich are not good enough, a thought backed up by the fact that the Williamses seem to struggle to get off the line at the start of races.The BMW board has now been presented with plans for the company to do its own thing in F1 and a decision will be made later this month when the board meets again. If BMW does decide to buy Sauber it is likely that Williams will split with the Munich firm immediately. If BMW decides not to do its own thing, we would expect there to be changes in the management at BMW Motorsport as current relationships between the team and its engine partner are strained.------
 
I think it's too early to jump the gun especially in light of recent improvements. Further, the bulk of the team's aerodynamic enhancements are only going to be introduced in the forthcoming races. If these facilitate better results, I think BMW Williams F1 can still potentially emerge as champions in the end since it's quite an open season and there's 12 races to go. It's very important for team, partners and drivers to stay united and focus now if they're to consolidate their improving form.

But I do agree, their slow starts is a big problem and a real bane to watch! Why can't they do it as well as Renault F1??
 
it cld be that the F1 team is looking at aero packages for the time being and let the engine improvements part remain as it is already powerful enough. I think the aero improvement packages are doing the F1 team good since looking at the prev few races the tires and handling seems to be quite well.

If only the Williams-BMW F1 team work on its starts. It's always slow off the block. No point getting pole position if 2 seconds later you are number 4,5,6 etc etc.
 
Originally posted by affan66@Jun 3 2005, 04:36 AM
it cld be that the F1 team is looking at aero packages for the time being and let the engine improvements part remain as it is already powerful enough. I think the aero improvement packages are doing the F1 team good since looking at the prev few races the tires and handling seems to be quite well.

If only the Williams-BMW F1 team work on its starts. It's always slow off the block. No point getting pole position if 2 seconds later you are number 4,5,6 etc etc.
Heidfeld is turning out to be quite a good driver too! making his partner, Mark Webber look over-rated.

Strangely, BAR Honda failed to live up to expectations. B4 their ban, they looked to be improving but on their return, kena tiong by Jordans and Minardis. Let's see what happens in the next races! If continue to be liddat, we could see Jenson Button returning to BMW Williams F1...
 
yeah heidfeld is doing pretty good for a 2nd driver!looks like he is more determined then webber is! :lol:
well bmwwilliamsf1 might not b the most powerful car in f1 anymore but at least they are lasting longer in the races now! :yahoo:
and as for button,i think given tht he so wanted to return to williams he proly lost heart and isnt as determined as last year!but give him time....he will improve again!
overall i am very happy tht williams r going back to their winning ways!
:yahoo: :eek:k: ;)
 
but the aero pack got nothing to do with starting right?? when comes to traction control, i think renault still the best......
 
I agree...Renault seems to be doing better. Anyone going to see the next race?
 
If I'm not wrong, the next race is the French GP, where BMW Williams traditionally do well. Hope they do even better this year and BAR Honda also ups their ante to make F1 more exciting than ever. Funny, it's been more exciting to see Ferrari fighting a middle battle than leading the race all the time!!
 
Ya Canada is known as a power track where engine performance premium actually pays off well (like Monza). Honda have a new Canada spec engine, and it'll be good to watch who is topping the speed traps at Canada. My guess is still Renault and Merc Benz... Lets see how fast the BMW is at Canada.
 
Historically, the BMW has done quite OK in Montreal. I hope so cos not many power tracks around, hehe... I also hope there's good overtaking like in the last GP.
 
It will also show which engine is the most powerful on the grid. My guess is either the Toyota or BMW engine?
 
Some interesting technical information on car and engine setup and demands in MOntreal..

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For the chassis, the dominant factor in Canada is braking: the car must slow from over 300 kph to 100 kph four times per lap. The circuit layout means that the only significant corners are taken at low speeds – all of the high speed turns are easily flat out. As a result, the set-up compromise is biased towards low downforce in order to get good top speeds on the straights – and as the braking energy increases as a square of an increase in speed, small variations in downforce levels can have a significant effect on top speed, and therefore brake energy. The preoccupation with the brakes is not overheating, as we have long straights on which to cool them, but rather brake wear: the high amount of energy put through the braking system simply puts the discs and pads under extreme duress. There is very little the driver can do about this, as it is a function of the speed difference between top speed on the straights and minimum speed in the corners, so it is important for the teams to prepare as thoroughly as possible. Brake wear is measured in real time, so we can call on the driver to adjust the brake balance forwards or rearwards to equalise wear if necessary. However, this can also have consequences for the handling…
Set-up is a complex issue in Montreal. The low downforce levels inevitably make the car feel ‘light' to drive and mean the drivers must be more delicate with their inputs to the steering, throttle and braking. Braking stability is a particular concern, as heavy braking often locks the rear brakes, which has the additional effect of making the car nervous on turn-in. We adapt this characteristic in part by adjusting the brake bias towards the front, meaning more of the braking is done by the front discs and avoiding the risk of locking the rears. In terms of the mechanical configuration of the car, traction is at a premium on this circuit. This means we run the car with a ‘forward mechanical bias' – essentially, the front suspension is stiff to enable a good change of direction in the chicanes and good turn-in, while the rear suspension is softer to once again aid braking stability, but also to help traction. In terms of tyres, wear is not usually a problem – the compounds are relatively hard to withstand the longitudinal loads generated by the high speeds, while the track surface is not particularly abrasive, and rubbers in through the weekend. The absence of high speed corners mean the front tyres have quite an easy time, but the large number of traction events do mean the rear tyre have often in the past been the limiting factor – and will almost certainly be a key parameter this year.

Engine Race Engineer, Car 5
For the V10, Montreal sets a simple challenge: the engine must be as powerful as possible. The succession of slow corners and hard acceleration found around the circuit means the engine is used in an ‘on/off' manner – the driver frequently runs through the sequence of braking, turning and re-accelerating at full throttle until the next corner, with little time spent at part throttle or in medium speed corners. The high percentage of the lap spent at full throttle, coupled with the long straight, mean the pistons are under particular strain. A torquey engine is always a plus-point in Canada, as it allows the car to launch out of the slow corners when accompanied by good traction. Gear ratios must also be studied carefully in order to be able to optimise the torque curve of the V10 around the lap. The final drive is also a critical parameter and must be adjusted with care. Not only must we leave enough margin for the powerful slipstreaming effects that can occur on the long straights where the cars run in tightly-bunched groups (as we saw Fernando doing in 2003) but the wind can also play a part down the main straight. Inevitably, we have to find a compromise between the optimum performance for qualifying, and race conditions where slipstreaming will come into play or when the wind might have changed direction. Finally, we also leave some room for manoeuvre when it comes to engine cooling. Cut grass and greenery are often found on the track surface, which can block radiator ducts, while running in close proximity to a number of competitors can also have a negative impact on cooling, and must be anticipated.
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From the BBC :

Williams criticises partner BMW

Team owner Frank Williams has accused engine partner BMW of poisoning their relationship by incessant sniping.
"Our partnerships in the past with Renault and Honda have been more successful and co-operative," Williams told Autosport magazine.

"You never had this constant finger-pointing. We do not constantly ask why BMW had some 150 engine failures in 2000 alone."

BMW has criticised the performance of Williams' cars in recent years.

The German manufacturer has a contract with Williams until 2009, but is expected to expand its Formula One programme next season by supplying Swiss team Sauber as well.

Williams won the constructors' championship with Honda in 1986 and '87, when they also won the drivers' title with Nelson Piquet.

And the team won four drivers' titles and five constructors' titles between 1992 and '97 while partnering Renault.

But their best results with BMW have been second places in 2002 and 2004, in a period dominated by Ferrari.

And despite Ferrari's problems in 2005, Williams have again got off to a slow start this season, with Renault and McLaren dominating the year so far.
 
Been checking out the trap speeds,and as predicted the Renaults have been dominating all throughout practice and quali session. They really have something at the back of the car which really kicks. Pulls up to 7-10kmh more down the straights than their rivals. Ferrari also got a good engine for Canada.

Honda seems OK, but still a little down based just pure trap speeds.. but hey, Jenson is on pole!! Yaay
 
seems like the acquisition of Team Sauber Petronas is bcoming imminent...just hope that BMW will be seeing better days in F1 with this deal
 
Interesting comment from Mercedes :

............But despite this year's resurgence, Haug (Mercedes Motorsport Director Norbert Haug) is aware that a good engine is no longer a guarantee of success.

"I know that it is much more difficult to build a chassis than to build an engine, with all due respect to the engine guys," he said. "You will find four or five engines in the pit lane right now that are very comparable but you obviously do not find five top chassis at the moment."...............




It seems that the Williams is losing out on corner entry and exit speeds, hence the drop in top speed achieved. The BMW engine is still powerful though it seems that it is less fuel efficient hence requires more fuel (which affects the handling!).
 
Thats interesting man.... and its true, only a few tracks in the F1 calendar rewards hansomely with a good engine. Most tracks are now mid-high downforce tracks and aero and chassis is key for good lap times.

INteresting that this weekend's race in Silverstone and everyone in the pitlane is saying that McLaren has the best aero of all the cars (even better than the famed Renault aero), and that they will just walk over everyone this weekend as Silverstone is a heavy aero track.

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And Alonso is not the only driver who believes a McLaren could win the British GP.

"Aerodynamically, the McLaren is very strong and it (Silverstone) is a very big aero circuit," said BAR’s Jenson Button.

"I think we’ll see them just walking away with it at Silverstone which is a little bit disappointing but that’s the way it is."
 
Originally posted by OSFlanker@Jul 4 2005, 11:31 AM
Interesting comment from Mercedes :

............But despite this year's resurgence, Haug (Mercedes Motorsport Director Norbert Haug) is aware that a good engine is no longer a guarantee of success.

"I know that it is much more difficult to build a chassis than to build an engine, with all due respect to the engine guys," he said. "You will find four or five engines in the pit lane right now that are very comparable but you obviously do not find five top chassis at the moment."...............




It seems that the Williams is losing out on corner entry and exit speeds, hence the drop in top speed achieved. The BMW engine is still powerful though it seems that it is less fuel efficient hence requires more fuel (which affects the handling!).
Hopefully the new BMW motorsports team will improve BMW image in F1. As all of us are driving BMW :D
 
There is also the bigger question of money because Williams is a team which does not want to pay for its engines, indeed, it has a right to ask any manufacturer for money. In Formula 1 you get what you pay for when it comes to the teams.

Williams has a lot of problems to sort out at the same time because the departure of BMW may also mean the departure of German firms such as Allianz. The future of Hewlett-Packard is also a little up in the air, but that is not new. The American computer giant has been uncertain about F1 for some time as the deal, you may recall, started out as a Compaq sponsorship before that takeover took place.

So Williams is working flat out at the moment trying to sort out its deals. We would expect to hear something solid after the end of July but no before.
 
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