Bilstein B6 or B8?

[teejay]

Haha... worried about me?? Nah, I don't take these kind of things seriously.

I'm trying out the Eibach Pro Dampers. They are supposedly made to match the Eibach Pro Kit springs which I am using now. So far pretty good. Firmer than the blacks I was using. Just haven't tried some high speed runs though.

Eibach Pro Dampers are made by Bilsteins.

Same set Bilstein makes for thier sport kit with springs, but springs made by Eibach.

Here is the scoop,
You can never match any dampers with any springs, even if you did do the calculations of rebound and dampening rates, there will be trade offs

Best bet is to get a set made for each other, this is because the valving pressures in the dampers are made to match the spring rates. If the springs are progressive, so will the dampers valving guides be made progressive too.

Eibach come out with a few types of lowered springs, mainly the Pro and Sport Kit, then it also had different springs for 4 cylinders, 6 cylinders and convertibles. YOu can follow manufacturer's recommendation to match dampers but it won't be 100%. For e36, there wasn't a necessary change to use lowered/shorter dmapers.

Tumbleweed,
i think you are looking for progressive suspension which can only be achieved with the mono-shocks and springs made for the e36-presummably you are using it for your e36. These set are hard to find as most of the bilsteins here are twin tubes. I had a progressive sport kit on the e30 a way long time ago, and it was perfect.

THe best bet is to have a higher dampening rate than higher rebound or else your back-side will be aching after a long ride-
YOu will still get a slight softer handling characteristic, but you can increase your antiroll bars thickness and reposition the droplinks to the absorbers for a firmer feel.

BTW monotube is similair design to bikers lingo of upside down fork- and mr pussy i'm not dissing anybody here....!!

 

[ramsing]

what dry spell all....u come bend over la, i'll show you why they call me ramsing the pump-sing....:love:

btw, your m5 now slow la....got another e34 m5 with s/c. time for you to kasi upgrade la unker

shhh....dun disturb pussy now. he's in deep thought. :wink:

And I m worried about u ..... :love:

 

[535i]

what dry spell all....u come bend over la, i'll show you why they call me ramsing the pump-sing....:love:

btw, your m5 now slow la....got another e34 m5 with s/c. time for you to kasi upgrade la unker

shhh....dun disturb pussy now. he's in deep thought. :wink:

ok - i hereby declare that I AM NOT associated with LamSing - one way or another ... ..

I never say my M5 is fast - mine is a standard M5 S38B36 with a bit of chipping ony ... U can't expect much from a 20 years old car ..

Abuthen - the M60 V8 is another story ... With the SC thrown in - it is much faster and has fatter torque than the M5. How I know ??? Let's just say that my M5 is just like a spec of dust in the rear view mirror of the car that I m driving ....

So - watch out for that white colored AC bodykitted car - not the Black M5 ... :listen:

 

[pussy]

hoi.. samsing, singsing or pusing.. even that short stroke bloke... dun talk about me la..

keep to the thread topic... teejay posted something very good to read.

 

[535i]

hoi.. samsing, singsing or pusing.. even that short stroke bloke... dun talk about me la..

keep to the thread topic... teejay posted something very good to read.

Ya laaa .. u now committee maaa ...
Kenot joke with u anymore ... or hijack thread a bit ...
Diff class already ...

Actually - TJ and I went thru similar path on ekzorber. Just that I can't write as good as him ...

 

[pussy]

we ken joke till 55 pages.. but keep the jokes to the thread la.. now we are talking B6, B8, Baba blacksheep, tiba tiba M5 or Verlapan keluar... hehehe...

i also kena hentam... cos you dun love me already... you got that fat boy already...

baiyee....

 

[tumbleweed]

Eibach Pro Dampers are made by Bilsteins.

Same set Bilstein makes for thier sport kit with springs, but springs made by Eibach.

Here is the scoop,
You can never match any dampers with any springs, even if you did do the calculations of rebound and dampening rates, there will be trade offs

Best bet is to get a set made for each other, this is because the valving pressures in the dampers are made to match the spring rates. If the springs are progressive, so will the dampers valving guides be made progressive too.

Eibach come out with a few types of lowered springs, mainly the Pro and Sport Kit, then it also had different springs for 4 cylinders, 6 cylinders and convertibles. YOu can follow manufacturer's recommendation to match dampers but it won't be 100%. For e36, there wasn't a necessary change to use lowered/shorter dmapers.

Tumbleweed,
i think you are looking for progressive suspension which can only be achieved with the mono-shocks and springs made for the e36-presummably you are using it for your e36. These set are hard to find as most of the bilsteins here are twin tubes. I had a progressive sport kit on the e30 a way long time ago, and it was perfect.

THe best bet is to have a higher dampening rate than higher rebound or else your back-side will be aching after a long ride-
YOu will still get a slight softer handling characteristic, but you can increase your antiroll bars thickness and reposition the droplinks to the absorbers for a firmer feel.

BTW monotube is similair design to bikers lingo of upside down fork- and mr pussy i'm not dissing anybody here....!!

Wow, now that was a lot of stuff to digest! I think I get what you're saying. So what progressive suspension are out there? I already have thicker antiroll bars. And isn't there some bilsteins which are mono tubed? What springs will go with those for the perfect balance?

 

[teejay]

Actually - TJ and I went thru similar path on ekzorber. Just that I can't write as good as him ...

yup true, and part of my experience in the dampers essay has some input from the M5 mastar....:top:

Abathen, you can write as good as me, just that you prefer to spend time in the M5 at 240 kmph than writing stuff here that may get you into trouble wif mr moderator pussy......hehehe

 

[teejay]

Wow, now that was a lot of stuff to digest! I think I get what you're saying. So what progressive suspension are out there? I already have thicker antiroll bars. And isn't there some bilsteins which are mono tubed? What springs will go with those for the perfect balance?

lots of questions, which bounces back to what do you really want to achieve in your car?
:stupid::stupid::stupid:

thicker anti-roll on the standard e36 chasis is rigid enough, you need to repostion it to the shocks mounting pints, i.e. M3 engineering

there are many progresive springs ,mainly eibach, but to match them with shocks is another story

bilsteins came up with mono n twin tubes, twin tubes are more common for e36 due to the floating valves so that shocks can be matched for lowered springs setup at any height. But mono tubes needed to be at the height meant for the springs, thus it is onl sold in kits with springs, but in euro you can order them separately ,just need the part numbers

to answer your last question i need to be paid rm1500 for consultation fees, thank you very much and please come again.......

but sine you are my friend, i give you 50% discount......:wink:

 

[anaksarawak]

I just remembered...

If you have RM2500 to spare.. Go for TITAN .. it is custom absorbers using your original spring. You can custom the setting to your heart desire!

Personal experience on a E36 325 with TITAN to Genting.. I feel like in E39 on the highway and like Z4 on the way up and down from Genting

 

[loafer]

hahaha..just buy the B8, no regrets. i'm using it with sachs springs.....very nice. plus if u're passengers have big boobs, u get free bouncing show. how i know, pussy told me one.....

You get a better bouncing show with PSS9 .

Btw what pussy said about getting a PSS9 stands only if you're the sort that is super fussy about suspension. Yes of course it'll burn a hole in your wallet but it's a great investment in the long run.

Having adjustables also helps if you are planning to change your rims, bodywork etc in the near future. If I were still using my B8+H&R setup I would have definitely ran into more problems when I changed my rims to 18s.

For me, adjustables is a one off investment and I'm glad I made that investment.

 

[teejay]

You get a better bouncing show with PSS9 .

Btw what pussy said about getting a PSS9 stands only if you're the sort that is super fussy about suspension. Yes of course it'll burn a hole in your wallet but it's a great investment in the long run.

Having adjustables also helps if you are planning to change your rims, bodywork etc in the near future. If I were still using my B8+H&R setup I would have definitely ran into more problems when I changed my rims to 18s.

For me, adjustables is a one off investment and I'm glad I made that investment.

there goes my rm1500 consultation fees......damn......

 

[tumbleweed]

Hey bro, good to hear that. Let me know how it turns out.

Waiting for my barang to arrive as well.

Cheers

Yo buddy!

So far so good. will know better as time goes....

so what have you decided for your ride?

 

[tumbleweed]

I know going to adjustables is the better way to go. I am reluctant because my pass experience playing with them was not a good one. Once bitten twice shy.

I have learnt a lot since then and I reckon technology has also improved since then.

 

[tumbleweed]

thicker anti-roll on the standard e36 chasis is rigid enough, you need to repostion it to the shocks mounting pints, i.e. M3 engineering

That is interesting. How would one go about doing that?! Repositioning the mounting points, I mean. Massive reengineering needed??

to answer your last question i need to be paid rm1500 for consultation fees, thank you very much and please come again.......

but sine you are my friend, i give you 50% discount......:wink:

Hahaha... very generous of you, my fren! I will have to write you an IOU!

 

[loafer]

I know going to adjustables is the better way to go. I am reluctant because my pass experience playing with them was not a good one. Once bitten twice shy.

I have learnt a lot since then and I reckon technology has also improved since then.

Mind sharing what happened? I'm interested to know since I'm using PSS9 on my E36.

That is interesting. How would one go about doing that?! Repositioning the mounting points, I mean. Massive reengineering needed??

The end links on the ARB mounts differently on M cars that's all. On Non-M cars they're mounted on the lower arm, whereas for M it's mounted on the strut housing.

 

[ALBundy]

The end links on the ARB mounts differently on M cars that's all. On Non-M cars they're mounted on the lower arm, whereas for M it's mounted on the strut housing.

Just need to get the E34 stabiliser rods (longer ones).

 

[teejay]

The end links on the ARB mounts differently on M cars that's all. On Non-M cars they're mounted on the lower arm, whereas for M it's mounted on the strut housing.

Loafer, you are wrong

91-92 e36 had the ARB mounts on the struts. M cars share the same struts as the 91-92 models, only the springs had different rates and are shorter. link rods are the same as the e34s in length

92- had the ARB mounts on the arms as usual

 

[teejay]

That is interesting. How would one go about doing that?! Repositioning the mounting points, I mean. Massive reengineering needed??




Hahaha... very generous of you, my fren! I will have to write you an IOU!

yes massive engineering, for rm1500 i will make it easier for you .....


your IOU bill has been pilling up.......pay up your i use ALONG tactics.......

 

[loafer]

Loafer, you are wrong

91-92 e36 had the ARB mounts on the struts. M cars share the same struts as the 91-92 models, only the springs had different rates and are shorter. link rods are the same as the e34s in length

92- had the ARB mounts on the arms as usual

Is it the same for newer model E36 compared to the Ms? Maybe I read salah info somewhere.