4th Group Purchase - Beisan Vanos Seals

[sunnypuan]

To the culprit you are a bird brainer......please pm me when you people gat crash his place............

Great...supporters building up here...:top: Will do, Bro ! !

 

[Beisansystems]

Hello everyone. I’m Rajaie, owner and president of Beisan Systems.
As you know Herbert has been in contact with me and has arranged a few group buys for this forum. I’d like to first thank Herbert for his extraordinary efforts and the forum members for their interest in the Beisan products. I hope everyone who has installed the Beisan products has received performance benefits and is pleased with their results.

Herbert has made me aware of this post thread and the company M Speed who has indicated they are providing vanos seals products. On this thread there is a picture of the seals product they are providing and it’s of the Beisan Systems product packaging. I have looked through our sales database and have noted that only Herbert is engaged in volume purchases from Malaysia. M Speed is not in contact with me and is not purchasing Beisan products. I’m disappointed to see that they seem to claim to be providing Beisan products.

The vanos seals are a semi-standard dimensional design. They are not readily available but can be manufactured. Although the dimensions are semi-standard the material makeup is not. There are many material types and grades of the seals, particularly the Teflon rings. Although the OEM Teflon rings are not failing they need to be removed and replaced to access the underneath failing rubber O-rings. Teflon is not used in its virgin form. Fillers are added to increase resistance to wear and deformation. The OEM Teflon rings have a carbon filler. We initially made the Teflon rings from a standard carbon filler but had many problems. The seals would take ~500 city miles to break-in. There can be very rough running at first. There can be codes and in some cases serious codes that would make the car not drivable. We investigated this matter and assessed the standard carbon materials did not work well for the vanos application. The vanos is made of soft aluminum and uses low oil pressure (compared to the thousands of PSI oil pressure used on standard hydraulic applications). After some investigation with a seals materials company we decided to use the OEM high grade expensive Teflon filler. When we first did this our in volume manufacturing costs went up by 40%. The OEM Teflon material is fairly exclusive and not readily available. Switching to the OEM Teflon material resolved the problems we were encountering. We have since also had our seals manufacturer polish the Teflon rings to reduce the seals break-in period and provide performance benefits faster.

We have inspected our seals at 15k and 30k miles. They are in excellent condition. The Teflon rings are highly polished and the O-rings are fully elastic and resilient. The vanos cylinder walls are also highly polished and not damaged. Everything is in excellent condition. We expect the seals to last the life of the car.
We have provided thousands of these seals kits to owners in many countries over the past 3 years and have not had a single case of failure.

Last year we introduced vanos rattle kits. These address the vanos rattle that can be found on some cars. The rattle kits have also been quite popular and successful.
We are developing seals and rattle kits for the Euro S50 engine single and double vanos units (Euro E36 M3). We are developing a rebuilt vanos solenoid pack for the S54 engine vanos failure (E46 M3). We are developing a vanos rattle kit for the S62 engine (E39 M5). We will be developing a vanos rattle solution for the V8 M62TU engine (E39 540 & E38 740).

I hope some of this info is helpful to owners on this forum.
Again thank you for your interest in the Beisan products. I hope many of you regain your car's full potential by installing the products.
Special thank again to Herbert for arranging the group buys that allow this forum to acquire the Beisan products in an efficient and cost effective manner.

Best,
Rajaie

Rajaie Qubain (Raj), President
Beisan Systems LLC (bee-saan), www.beisansystems.com
2109 Longwood Drive, Raleigh, NC 27612
rajaie@beisansystems.com, W (919) 676-1939, M (919) 345-2000

 

[bimmerholic]

That's good news!...Now what's to happen to M-Speed & the culprit?

 

[E28driver]

I have no relation to M Speed, but could they not have acquired the seals from some other source legitimately?

 

[bimmer73]

I have no relation to M Speed, but could they not have acquired the seals from some other source legitimately?

They probably bought it from the culprit who stole it from herbert's purchase at wai loon.

 

[XXX]

I have no relation to M Speed, but could they not have acquired the seals from some other source legitimately?

...there is more to it than that.

 

[Herbert]

UPDATE ON 12th JULY


Hi Guys,

Due to many requests from fellow members, I am starting a 4th Group Purchase of Beisan vanos seals kit.

To take advantage of group purchase pricing, we will need at least 13 Single and 13 Double vanos seals repair kit. Anything less than 13 sets each, the price will be higher than what is quoted below.

RESERVATION: ON A FIRST PAY FIRST BASIS.

PAYMENT:

Please make payment into my account once you have confirmed your order. Then I will update your payment status in the forum.

Here are the pricing:-

1. Beisan single vanos seals repair kit ( For BMW engines M50TU, M52) - RM 90.00
2. Beisan double vanos seals repair kit (For BMW engines M52TU, M54, M56) - RM 170.00

Please insert your name for the respective purchase:

Single Vanos

1. eau-rouge
2. bmw7833
3. bmw7833
4. bmw7833
5. bmw7833
6. bmw7833
7. sshariman - PAID
8. paultantk - PAID
9. shanghaiRed - PAID
10. elwine30 - PAID
11. jamesc - PAID
12. e28driver - PAID
13. morpheus5039 - PAID
14. LKW3 - PAID
15. PKL
16. naidu (bmw air-con specialist)
17. shiva73
18. bimmerholic - PAID
19. lennon tan - PAID
20. smike
21.
22.
23.
24.
25.
26.

STOP AT NO. 26
=============================

Double Vanos

1. Johnj - PAID
2. Jamesc - PAID
3. Neohkw - PAID
4. Badrul880 - PAID
5. Tkew - PAID
6. Alan Ow - PAID
7. Neohkw - PAID
8. Joekl - PAID
9. 525i - PAID
10. Fandango - PAID
11. bmw7833 - PAID
12. bmw7833 - PAID
13. bmw7833 - PAID
14. bmw7833 - PAID
15. bmw7833 - PAID
16. thule - PAID
17. zam zainal - PAID
18. sopian - PAID
19. cloudbuster - PAID
20. PKL
21. naidu - (bmw air-con specialist)
22. yee7402 - PAID
23.bimmerholic - PAID
24. thomas tan
25. kayzhen911
26. xstatic - PAID
27. wrx800
28. naidu - (bmw air-con specialist)
29. mr_bertz - PAID
30. mr_bertz - PAID
31. harbhajan - PAID
32. bimmer73
33. Jyazid
34. advocates - PAID
35. advocates - PAID
36.
37.
38.
39.

STOP AT NO. 39
================================

 

[kayzhen911]

yo herb....
when can stk be available once paid?

 

[Herbert]

yo herb....
when can stk be available once paid?

One of the conditions of Group purchase is that all buyers has to make advance payment. Only after all payment have been received, I will then make the purchase using my credit card for payment through Beisan online service http://www.beisansystems.com/products.html . Delivery of seals from USA to Malaysia is about 7 working days.

So for those buyers whose names are on the Group purchase list and has yet to make payment, appreciate you do so to avoid any delay in delivery.

 

[kayzhen911]

thanx herb....
will do the necessary asap.
cheers...

 

[LightingStrike]

Herbert,

The Feed back from the BMW workshops regarding the Beisan issue. Is you plot to get forumers (customers) to your workshop. Thats why the Beisan collection center is your workshop.

I met up with a few BMW workshop including M Speed, Naidu, Chien USJ & etc..They mention you off & on goes to their workshop soliciting for customers for your own workshop by collection contact information form awaiting customers and telling here they charged very expensive, this made them very pissed off with you.

The Beisan Seal has been around for sometime surprising feed back I m getting the workshops people is that you make more then 50% margin from selling the seals in the forum group buy.

Another incident Workshop A helped you to rectified your customer's E90 central locking issue for free which your mechanic cant solve without any charges! Then you going around saying Workshop A charged you RM 150/= Probably you charged that amount to your customer.

Business is business but going around and bad mouth your competitions is not the right way to do business.

 

[jarance]

LS,

Based on your claims that you can purchase the Beisan at about half the price listed is unfounded.

Based on the webpage of Beisan. Price listed for Single Vanos is USD30 and Double Vanos is USD60.

According to Bank Negara latest exchange USD1 = RM3.20

So the price for Single Vanos is RM96.00 and Double Vanos is 198.00 in Malaysian Ringgit and is NOT inclusive of the freight charges of USD13 for oversea. The price listed in this Group Buy is much less and more realistic than your so-call price.

The CEO of Beisan have already confirmed that there are NO other order received from Malaysia other than Herbert. So, who is the person in M Speed that I can contact to confirm your stated price.

You seem to be a person whom I know thru this forum. If my suspicion is correct, then you are in serious trouble.

I do not know what issue you have with us but trying to cast a doubt on this group buy is uncalled for. Thank you.

 

[bmw7833]

Herbert,

The Feed back from the BMW workshops regarding the Beisan issue. Is you plot to get forumers (customers) to your workshop. Thats why the Beisan collection center is your workshop.

I met up with a few BMW workshop including M Speed, Naidu, Chien USJ & etc..They mention you off & on goes to their workshop soliciting for customers for your own workshop by collection contact information form awaiting customers and telling here they charged very expensive, this made them very pissed off with you.

The Beisan Seal has been around for sometime surprising feed back I m getting the workshops people is that you make more then 50% margin from selling the seals in the forum group buy.

Another incident Workshop A helped you to rectified your customer's E90 central locking issue for free which your mechanic cant solve without any charges! Then you going around saying Workshop A charged you RM 150/= Probably you charged that amount to your customer.

Business is business but going around and bad mouth your competitions is not the right way to do business.

Pls provide us the person who can be contact in M Speed for the price that u mentioned. I am keen to buy as u know i purchase 10 sets in the 4th group buy.

Moreover, I don't think Wai Long earn any profits and deal any business with us from the vanos seal. The only thing Wai Long earn is we all know an accessory shop in Putra Height now.

 

[xstatic]

Herbert,

The Feed back from the BMW workshops regarding the Beisan issue. Is you plot to get forumers (customers) to your workshop. Thats why the Beisan collection center is your workshop.

I met up with a few BMW workshop including M Speed, Naidu, Chien USJ & etc..They mention you off & on goes to their workshop soliciting for customers for your own workshop by collection contact information form awaiting customers and telling here they charged very expensive, this made them very pissed off with you.

The Beisan Seal has been around for sometime surprising feed back I m getting the workshops people is that you make more then 50% margin from selling the seals in the forum group buy.

Another incident Workshop A helped you to rectified your customer's E90 central locking issue for free which your mechanic cant solve without any charges! Then you going around saying Workshop A charged you RM 150/= Probably you charged that amount to your customer.

Business is business but going around and bad mouth your competitions is not the right way to do business.

Dude,
Willing buyer, willing seller...so what if the collection is at his workshop? We can choose where we wanna sent our car to for the replacement seal, not neccessary to be at herbert's workshop, rite?
Besides, if you claim he makes more than 50% profit, you have to come up with something solid to substantiate your claims.
I'm not for or against you, infact is good to have people like for the check and balance and benefit for all the members and forummers....
Pls provide us with more details...
Cheers brader

 

[erica34]

i bought beisan single and double vanos seals through group buys organised by herbert. first time my friend who was also on group buy helped collect on my behalf (but i informed herbert beforehand providing name and nick of my friend). for 2nd group buy i collected myself due to tighter collection arrangement. from my experience, having the workshop as collection center was convenient cos could go at my convenience. the workshop guy stopped what he was doing so i didn't have to wait, asked for name and show ic, checked details, sign and got my item. just like collecting parcel from pos office except in this case i interupted the guy's work. i checked the parts lying around but the guy couldn't care less my looking around and went straight back to work.

personally, if i wanted another set i'd join group buy organised by herbert if there's one. cheaper and more convenient than getting one myself directly from beisan. also can be assured what i'm getting and choose to have it replaced at any workshop. thanks to herbert for organising this.

 

[johnj]

I know Herbert, but who is this lighning strike ahh striking hereand there unecessarily on a sunny day!@!!!:stupid::stupid:

 

[LightingStrike]

Guys,

Just go to M Speed and the other workshops with Herbert..

 

[bimmerholic]

Guys,

Just go to M Speed and the other workshops with Herbert..

will you be there too? I'd so love to meet you bro! can't wait. can't wait.

 

[Herbert]

UPDATE ON 13RD JULY


Hi Guys,

Due to many requests from fellow members, I am starting a 4th Group Purchase of Beisan vanos seals kit.

To take advantage of group purchase pricing, we will need at least 13 Single and 13 Double vanos seals repair kit. Anything less than 13 sets each, the price will be higher than what is quoted below.

RESERVATION: ON A FIRST PAY FIRST BASIS.

PAYMENT:

Please make payment into my account once you have confirmed your order. Then I will update your payment status in the forum.

Here are the pricing:-

1. Beisan single vanos seals repair kit ( For BMW engines M50TU, M52) - RM 90.00
2. Beisan double vanos seals repair kit (For BMW engines M52TU, M54, M56) - RM 170.00

Please insert your name for the respective purchase:

Single Vanos

1. eau-rouge
2. bmw7833
3. bmw7833
4. bmw7833
5. bmw7833
6. bmw7833
7. sshariman - PAID
8. paultantk - PAID
9. shanghaiRed - PAID
10. elwine30 - PAID
11. jamesc - PAID
12. e28driver - PAID
13. morpheus5039 - PAID
14. LKW3 - PAID
15. PKL
16. naidu (bmw air-con specialist)
17. shiva73 - PAID
18. bimmerholic - PAID
19. lennon tan - PAID
20. smike
21.
22.
23.
24.
25.
26.

STOP AT NO. 26
=============================

Double Vanos

1. Johnj - PAID
2. Jamesc - PAID
3. Neohkw - PAID
4. Badrul880 - PAID
5. Tkew - PAID
6. Alan Ow - PAID
7. Neohkw - PAID
8. Joekl - PAID
9. 525i - PAID
10. Fandango - PAID
11. bmw7833 - PAID
12. bmw7833 - PAID
13. bmw7833 - PAID
14. bmw7833 - PAID
15. bmw7833 - PAID
16. thule - PAID
17. zam zainal - PAID
18. sopian - PAID
19. cloudbuster - PAID
20. PKL
21. naidu - (bmw air-con specialist)
22. yee7402 - PAID
23.bimmerholic - PAID
24. thomas tan
25. kayzhen911
26. xstatic - PAID
27. wrx800
28. naidu - (bmw air-con specialist)
29. mr_bertz - PAID
30. mr_bertz - PAID
31. harbhajan - PAID
32. bimmer73
33. Jyazid
34. advocates - PAID
35. advocates - PAID
36.
37.
38.
39.

STOP AT NO. 39
================================

 

[Herbert]

The President of Beisan Systems is kind enough to make the following post in our forum.

Hello everyone. I’m Rajaie, owner and president of Beisan Systems.
As you know Herbert has been in contact with me and has arranged a few group buys for this forum. I’d like to first thank Herbert for his extraordinary efforts and the forum members for their interest in the Beisan products. I hope everyone who has installed the Beisan products has received performance benefits and is pleased with their results.

Herbert has made me aware of this post thread and the company M Speed who has indicated they are providing vanos seals products. On this thread there is a picture of the seals product they are providing and it’s of the Beisan Systems product packaging. I have looked through our sales database and have noted that only Herbert is engaged in volume purchases from Malaysia. M Speed is not in contact with me and is not purchasing Beisan products. I’m disappointed to see that they seem to claim to be providing Beisan products.

The vanos seals are a semi-standard dimensional design. They are not readily available but can be manufactured. Although the dimensions are semi-standard the material makeup is not. There are many material types and grades of the seals, particularly the Teflon rings. Although the OEM Teflon rings are not failing they need to be removed and replaced to access the underneath failing rubber O-rings. Teflon is not used in its virgin form. Fillers are added to increase resistance to wear and deformation. The OEM Teflon rings have a carbon filler. We initially made the Teflon rings from a standard carbon filler but had many problems. The seals would take ~500 city miles to break-in. There can be very rough running at first. There can be codes and in some cases serious codes that would make the car not drivable. We investigated this matter and assessed the standard carbon materials did not work well for the vanos application. The vanos is made of soft aluminum and uses low oil pressure (compared to the thousands of PSI oil pressure used on standard hydraulic applications). After some investigation with a seals materials company we decided to use the OEM high grade expensive Teflon filler. When we first did this our in volume manufacturing costs went up by 40%. The OEM Teflon material is fairly exclusive and not readily available. Switching to the OEM Teflon material resolved the problems we were encountering. We have since also had our seals manufacturer polish the Teflon rings to reduce the seals break-in period and provide performance benefits faster.

We have inspected our seals at 15k and 30k miles. They are in excellent condition. The Teflon rings are highly polished and the O-rings are fully elastic and resilient. The vanos cylinder walls are also highly polished and not damaged. Everything is in excellent condition. We expect the seals to last the life of the car.
We have provided thousands of these seals kits to owners in many countries over the past 3 years and have not had a single case of failure.

Last year we introduced vanos rattle kits. These address the vanos rattle that can be found on some cars. The rattle kits have also been quite popular and successful.
We are developing seals and rattle kits for the Euro S50 engine single and double vanos units (Euro E36 M3). We are developing a rebuilt vanos solenoid pack for the S54 engine vanos failure (E46 M3). We are developing a vanos rattle kit for the S62 engine (E39 M5). We will be developing a vanos rattle solution for the V8 M62TU engine (E39 540 & E38 740).

I hope some of this info is helpful to owners on this forum.
Again thank you for your interest in the Beisan products. I hope many of you regain your car's full potential by installing the products.
Special thank again to Herbert for arranging the group buys that allow this forum to acquire the Beisan products in an efficient and cost effective manner.

Best,
Rajaie

Rajaie Qubain (Raj), President
Beisan Systems LLC (bee-saan), www.beisansystems.com
2109 Longwood Drive, Raleigh, NC 27612
rajaie@beisansystems.com, W (919) 676-1939, M (919) 345-2000