SQ ICE Set-up

[mrhartge]

Originally posted by Vanquish+Nov 8 2005, 02:39 PM-->QUOTE (Vanquish @ Nov 8 2005, 02:39 PM)

 

[Vanquish]

Originally posted by saat@Nov 8 2005, 02:40 PM
At 2K I say iPod..........iPod Rules and you can take it with you.

Good one, Saat ....

Yeah ... no expensive amps, cables and fine tuning needed. You just plug it and go. Best of all, you can listen to it almost anywhere ... Long live the iPod and Steve Jobs !!! Apple rules !!! :nyehehe:

 

[M30revival]

Well I still believed that if you can afford it, go a bit higher and stay with 'quality' stuffs instead of going low and then face wth the prospect of no end upgrade paths because the desire to achieve sonic 'nirvana' always haunt you. I think I am there but I still feel that it can be better. Waiting for Bro Van's sub. hehehe.

 

[3er]

I thought i'd let it drop that i have a pair of a/d/s/ speakers used for less than 1 year just in case if any one is interested.... (upgrading mah!) - PM me!

60% off the sticker price!

 

[flash]

Urgh, I am very afraid of this thread. Been reading this thread with interest and getting some good pointers. Have more or less mapped out my system and waiting for the "right" time. Trying very hard not to get ICE-napped this year. Perhaps next year.

Dang, anyone wanna buy my Wira? :nyehehe: :nyehehe: Then I can go ahead with both my engine and ICE upgrade.... h34r:

 

[schone]

Auto ICE is as much an educational journey then than just listening to music.

saat / vanquish / affan66 / etc : you know what our plan is right ? we'll let kevster30 put in his target RM2k system... I'm sure it'll be miles better than stock sound system...


THEN,.. we invite him to sample a higher set up... bait him in.. get him hooked on eliciting that final vocal clarity, that elusive mid bass snare, that mysterious tight sub, the precise frontal staging... all that final 25% of the pinnacle of audio nirvana !!! mwahahah .. reminds me of myself half a dozen years ago

Pretty soon, he'll be looking for a new car to put his dream ICE in !

 

[burn]

aiyo!!! banyaknya kaki racun...

 

[kevster30]

Originally posted by schone@Nov 8 2005, 03:43 AM
Auto ICE is as much an educational journey then than just listening to music.

saat / vanquish / affan66 / etc : you know what our plan is right ? we'll let kevster30 put in his target RM2k system... I'm sure it'll be miles better than stock sound system...


THEN,.. we invite him to sample a higher set up... bait him in.. get him hooked on eliciting that final vocal clarity, that elusive mid bass snare, that mysterious tight sub, the precise frontal staging... all that final 25% of the pinnacle of audio nirvana !!! mwahahah .. reminds me of myself half a dozen years ago

Pretty soon, he'll be looking for a new car to put his dream ICE in !

Schone,

I'm tone deaf so it won't make a damn diff......I like to buy ICE stuff cos I'm a victim of packaging..........like this can ar? :yahoo:

 

[saat]

Originally posted by kevster30+Nov 8 2005, 06:10 PM-->QUOTE (kevster30 @ Nov 8 2005, 06:10 PM)

 

[M30revival]

Let see if this attract more poisons from the sifu.

My other car has a HU with 6 discs changer capable of MP3. It already has six speakers setup. I need to do the following:

1. Replace the stock midbass and tweeters with mid-end component set. It must be at least higher than the Focal Polyglass 165V. I got a good offer for this set but wanted something better as I heard the focal tweeter is very warm. I'll run this passive for now until I upgrade the HU with pre-out and time-alignment functions in a year time.

2. I need a nice amp (used or new) to drive this component set.

3. I have a 6" bazooka tube subwoofer which I'll take out from my current setup. I need a 2 channels amp to drive this sub (new or used)

(The above two can probably be combined into one 4 channel amp now but I am already thinking of running my setup active in the future so it would be ideal to have item (2) a 4-channel amp and item (3) a 2-channel amp).

5. One crossover but not sure what should the spec be?

6. Line driver

7. Cabling and tuning?

So, anyone has spare ICE equipment sitting at home ready to let go?

What can Technichi offer for the above and how much would I'll be looking at spending this time?

 

[Vanquish]

Dude ...

Sorry for the delayed response to your PM ... coming up next week to KL with the car. This week's trip is a day trip and I'll be flying in most likely.

Neway, some thoughts on your questions below -

1. Fronts - please check the origin of those Focals ... remember what Saat posted about the many raids in KL with the fakes flooding the market ? I wud also look at CDT HDs, DLS M6, PHD Roma, JL Audio XRs and a few more at that price range. BTW, what sorta sound you prefer cos that'll be the clincher. Focal tweets ... especially the ol TN 41/42 and 51 are known to be rather bright ... not warm in nature. Their metal construction does not help the case any further hence amp matching is crucial to get the best of them.

2. Main amp - mite as well go the whole hog and nail a 4 channel which you can use for both the fronts and sub for now. Again - budget and music preference will help too. Some basic onboard x-overs or EQ mite help for now but if your HU already comes with these ... why bother rite ? Minimum power output must be about 50W RMS x 4 .. more will be nicer of course.

3. Sub amp - a decent brute will do the job ... a 2 channel amp with about 100W x 2 can be bridged to supply about 300-400W x 1 for the sub duty. We're talking about raw power delivery here and not so much of finnese and grace so a decent amp even from the likes of Mohawk, Zeuz, Stellar or Prokick will do just fine. If you can splurge ... get a Class D mono amp - they are hugely efficient thru various impedance, can pound for hours and prices are coming down quite a bit these days.

4. I'm not much of a fan of 5 and 6 if you ask me. I'll splurge on a decent HU with built in Time Alligment, 2 or 3 way X-overs, multi band parametric EQs and 2 pairs of hi voltage pre-outs at the end of the day. Most HU are fitted with accurate and flexible onboard x-overs and EQs that I don't really see the point of buying external ones these days. Remember that you'd want to keep the set-up as simple but as effective as possible. The line driver is not required unless your HU only has pre-outs supplying low voltage ... like 2.7 - 3.5V which used to be the name of the game those days la. As long as your HU has a couple of or more pre-outs with 4V output, you can scratch the line drivers off your shopping list. Hi voltage alone is not enough as the rest of your gears - especially the amp and the HU must be able to accept them and make full use of them.

5. Cables and wires - Do NOT skimp on them please .... but neither do you need to go with all Monster, Chord, MIT or Stinger set-up at the end of the day. Get some decent cables - RCA, power and speaker cables from some local brands that are much better than those brandless ones. How much difference they can make .... quite a fair bit really. I'm using a pair of EFX Platinums by Scosche for my subbie and fronts comps and absolutely swear by them ... hooking them up in lieu of my old Beldens immediately made marginal difference to the overall sound quality.

6. Tuning - the other 50% of the equation. Get this wrong or taken for granted and you'll even have a high end system that could sound really horrible. Trust the installer - take your pick from Simon at Tehnichi, Kho at Klasse, Jerry at Sound Quest, Ah Bee at ACP and etc, let them know exactly what you want and let your ears be the judge.

7. Used gears aah ? I have my CDT subbie, my back-up HU which is an Eclipse CD5441, an ol 4 channel MTX amp and my ol Monitor Audio 5 car components and some old cables and wires lying at home. Also got my beloved PPI 200.2 Black Art Series 2 channel amp in the box ... tis one not for sale cos planning to add another 3 inch DLS UR mid units into the E36 door tweeter location later la .... no more money to spend already ... :cry:


Cheers,

 

[affan66]

*sob*... Van's back. I'm happy.

 

[flash]

Originally posted by affan66@Nov 9 2005, 08:55 AM
*sob*... Van's back. I'm happy.

So where is your rebuttal?

Boy, is M30revival asking for it. :rofl: But I sure am interested to try out his system.... darn, always miss him at the workshop.

 

[mrhartge]

Originally posted by affan66@Nov 9 2005, 08:55 AM
*sob*... Van's back. I'm happy.

my master has awaken...o rise my lord.....
The Dark Lord of ICE Kingdom has spoken....
*bowing in respect*

 

[M30revival]

Bro Van,

Thanx for the pointers.

Call me when you are here next week. I would like you to audition my setup and give me your opinion.

1. For the HU I intend to keep the stock unit for now (it is actually an OEM Kenwood 2-DIN 6-disc MP3 player). I intend to keep this HU for a while to maintain the stock look of the dash. In future, I'll upgrade to another 2-DIN HU with time-alignment and xover. 2-DIN unit cost a lot now so I want to make sure that I don't over spend now!

2. I am into SQ so I want to make sure I get the right equipment to drive the comp. The Focal set I mentioned is original set. The installer want to let go to me below market price but I have heard from IASCA that the Focal Polyglass is not easy to mix with other hence I want to opt for comp that is easy to drive. Any news on the DLS UR6S?

3. I am ok with used amps because my current setup also have 2 used amps and they are adequate for my taste. My HU is quite limited so I need one that has external crossover and EQ to help on tuning. I am inclined to buy used amp but if there is limited option, I'll probably follow the path of another member to get a new 6-channel amp. Do it one time to save on upgrading later. You know who is that right.

4. As for cabling, I'l just get it from the installer. I do a set of cables that I might just used it on this car instead of wired up my HI-FI rear speakers. I got if quite cheap from my friends. I want to check out what other installer can offers. If not, I'll stick with Klasse. I have been to Technichi before and but have not heard a full setup yet. I have been to ACP because a lot of IASCA members are always talking about their CDT comp range and TRU Technology amp. I have heard some high end set up like pisces's camry but those are beyond my budget.

5. So, any of your used gears fits my set up suits my requirements now?

 

[M30revival]

Originally posted by flash+Nov 9 2005, 09:51 AM-->QUOTE (flash @ Nov 9 2005, 09:51 AM)

 

[saat]

Originally posted by flash+Nov 9 2005, 09:51 AM-->QUOTE (flash @ Nov 9 2005, 09:51 AM)

 

[affan66]

Saat should be the Speaker of our Parliament. He's good moderating. hehe...

Flash, all you have to do is just set up an appointment and M30 and I will be obliged to give you a sample. We can rope in WJ, Schone, Saat as well. If the Dark Lord is around, we can all kawtim in one go. After listening, we can help you shop around.

WHAT ARE FRIENDS FOR???

 

[wirelessjunkie]

Originally posted by Vanquish@Nov 9 2005, 12:47 AM
Dude ...

Sorry for the delayed response to your PM ... coming up next week to KL with the car. This week's trip is a day trip and I'll be flying in most likely.

Neway, some thoughts on your questions below -

1. Fronts - please check the origin of those Focals ... remember what Saat posted about the many raids in KL with the fakes flooding the market ? I wud also look at CDT HDs, DLS M6, PHD Roma, JL Audio XRs and a few more at that price range. BTW, what sorta sound you prefer cos that'll be the clincher. Focal tweets ... especially the ol TN 41/42 and 51 are known to be rather bright ... not warm in nature. Their metal construction does not help the case any further hence amp matching is crucial to get the best of them.

2. Main amp - mite as well go the whole hog and nail a 4 channel which you can use for both the fronts and sub for now. Again - budget and music preference will help too. Some basic onboard x-overs or EQ mite help for now but if your HU already comes with these ... why bother rite ? Minimum power output must be about 50W RMS x 4 .. more will be nicer of course.

3. Sub amp - a decent brute will do the job ... a 2 channel amp with about 100W x 2 can be bridged to supply about 300-400W x 1 for the sub duty. We're talking about raw power delivery here and not so much of finnese and grace so a decent amp even from the likes of Mohawk, Zeuz, Stellar or Prokick will do just fine. If you can splurge ... get a Class D mono amp - they are hugely efficient thru various impedance, can pound for hours and prices are coming down quite a bit these days.

4. I'm not much of a fan of 5 and 6 if you ask me. I'll splurge on a decent HU with built in Time Alligment, 2 or 3 way X-overs, multi band parametric EQs and 2 pairs of hi voltage pre-outs at the end of the day. Most HU are fitted with accurate and flexible onboard x-overs and EQs that I don't really see the point of buying external ones these days. Remember that you'd want to keep the set-up as simple but as effective as possible. The line driver is not required unless your HU only has pre-outs supplying low voltage ... like 2.7 - 3.5V which used to be the name of the game those days la. As long as your HU has a couple of or more pre-outs with 4V output, you can scratch the line drivers off your shopping list. Hi voltage alone is not enough as the rest of your gears - especially the amp and the HU must be able to accept them and make full use of them.

5. Cables and wires - Do NOT skimp on them please .... but neither do you need to go with all Monster, Chord, MIT or Stinger set-up at the end of the day. Get some decent cables - RCA, power and speaker cables from some local brands that are much better than those brandless ones. How much difference they can make .... quite a fair bit really. I'm using a pair of EFX Platinums by Scosche for my subbie and fronts comps and absolutely swear by them ... hooking them up in lieu of my old Beldens immediately made marginal difference to the overall sound quality.

6. Tuning - the other 50% of the equation. Get this wrong or taken for granted and you'll even have a high end system that could sound really horrible. Trust the installer - take your pick from Simon at Tehnichi, Kho at Klasse, Jerry at Sound Quest, Ah Bee at ACP and etc, let them know exactly what you want and let your ears be the judge.

7. Used gears aah ? I have my CDT subbie, my back-up HU which is an Eclipse CD5441, an ol 4 channel MTX amp and my ol Monitor Audio 5 car components and some old cables and wires lying at home. Also got my beloved PPI 200.2 Black Art Series 2 channel amp in the box ... tis one not for sale cos planning to add another 3 inch DLS UR mid units into the E36 door tweeter location later la .... no more money to spend already ... :cry:


Cheers,

Must check out your ICE bro.

 

[M30revival]

Hmm, this sounds like a call for a ICE TT. Catch one and catch all ICE-enthusiasts.

Its been a while I last attended a TT. If anyone keen on having one, say "aye", state your preference and I'll start another thread. Prefer to have it on any day other than Friday so not to clash with the weekly TT.