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Sigh, now it's my turn to have a post-tung-tung-chang syndrome. Yesterday, upon arriving home from work and parking my car in the basement, immediately after turning the key to the full "off" position and pulling the key out, the interior lights come on as usual (basement is quite dark), but within a second or so, the lights went out altogether, suddenly. I then opened the door, still no lights either. Poked the key back in and turn to position 2 (the radio/accessories position), nothing happened (radio's not working, clock's totally dark, no mileage display, etc), although there was just a faint glow in the airbag light located on the steering wheel (indicating some remnants of capacitive discharge or just very very poor supply voltage). Turned the key further, none of the usual lights came on in the dash... tried to crank, nothing either. Full black out. Yanked the key out again, and then poked the key back, and repeated the above paragraph... nothing happened, I think the airbag light didn't even glow this time, still a total black out. Repeated the whole thing again to the same effect. Then I pulled the key out again and just sat there do nothing for maybe a minute or two, suddenly the interior lights came on again, and I put the key into the accessories position again, radio came on, but lost all the station memories/settings, clock came on, requesting that time and date be keyed-in again... and I then cranked the engine and it came to life, but I knew the ECU had also reset, the idle was hunting a bit, need a day or two to stabilise. So, there was a complete power failure, and it came back on again. It's like the battery got unplugged for a few minutes. What could have been the problem? I'm thinking of the following, pls let me know what you guys think and add your inputs also: 1) Battery going dead, showing intermittent and sudden power failure, some broken plates inside? I'm on a maintenance-free battery, no idea how long has it been in the car, I have had the car for a year now, forgot to ask previous owner when the battery was last changed. 2) Main cable fault, either: 2a) Ground cable connection from battery to the grounding point? 2b) Positive cable connection from battery to the "+" terminal on engine bay? (That terminal is called "B+ external start terminal") I think there is also a fusible link on the big fat cable, possible fault there also? 3) Key switch is faulty, but then why would the radio, clock, ECU and everything else be reset? As mentioned above, the effect is like the battery was unplugged for a few minutes. If the switch is faulty, electrical systems will not be powered up, but technically, those always "live" lines (radio memory, clock, ECU) should not go down. 4) What else? And is there any 94/95 E36 owners who had experienced such symptoms before?
 
Me hazard a guess... battery about to kong. Had intermittent electrical gremlins with my SLOTH. Changed the battery, no problems. Even my intermittent starting problem has improved. Checked the charging capability of the alternator, just in case, all ok.
 
Managed to check with the previous owner, looks like he didn't change the battery too, that makes it a minimum of 3.5 yrs already, very likely much longer than that, maybe 5 yrs.

Gonna tighten the contacts at the battery first, and ask my mechanic's opinion.

The alternator is still putting out good voltage... can be seen in the difference in the brightness of the lights when the car is idling and immediately after turning off the engine.
 
1. check the battery terminal and make sure that it is tight.
2. There is a fuse link also. check the tightness there as well.

It can't be the switches coz without touching them, the light comes "On" suddenly. From your description, it is most likely the terminal at the battery.

If it is the alternator problem, the battery most probably will be weak but it will still be able to light up the car and instrument. However, a weak battery will not be able to crank the starter.

Battery- Time to change if you have used it for 5 years.
 
Thanks jarance... Where is the main fusible link, is it nearer the battery in the boot or nearer the "+" jump start terminal in the engine bay?
 
LCP;197768 said:
Thanks jarance... Where is the main fusible link, is it nearer the battery in the boot or nearer the "+" jump start terminal in the engine bay?

The fusible link is located between the battery "+" termainal and the jumper start terminal.

see below.

fusiblelink.jpg



the jumper start terminal is shown below.
jumperstart.jpg
 
Thanks for the info, now I just need to find out where exactly is the fusible link... the battery is in the boot and the jump start terminal is in the engine bay, that's quite a distance to search, but technically, it makes more sense to have the fusible link closer to the battery to have the highest chance of catching short circuit.
 
Got all my battery cabling from the battery till the jump start terminal checked out and tightened where needed... so far so good...

Battery manufacturing date is some time in 2002, so the battery is 5 years old, must have been in the car around 4-5 years then... time for a change soon. The battery condition indicator still shows as good.
 
Dear LCP,

Have you checked the positif link cable, the one from the battery to the engine bay? Mine shorted out sometime last year, but my scenario was a little more dramatic than yours. The power went on and off. As a result, the cables to my injectors got burnt out. The main culprit was the wiring harness in the boot/ trunk. the cable was damaged, hence it was trying to draw more current, in turn melted the main sully cable, which then shorted. One thing that i noticed was that i suddenly had a surge of power, the lights were all brighter, until I stopped at my destination. You scenario may be totally different, but you may just want to check.
 
Fu-yoh... luckily it didn't end up burning the whole car, plenty of combustible material along the cable path from the boot to the engine bay. Yours sounds like there's some power surges.

Checked mine, so far no issue.
 
A problem on older rides is where the main battery cable goes into the battery connector. Can have build up oxidation etc. Worth pulling off and checking, if is green not good.
Could be unlikely in a nice atmosphere like the boot but worth a check.
 
Revisiting this thread... the complete power failure occurred again a few days back... This time I went to the battery terminals in the boot and shook the cables and the power came back on... Realised that the terminals had loosened a bit, so I used a size 13 (dunno why batt terminal nuts are always size 13) wrench to tighten them back, real tight this time... How come got gremlins/lemmings/whatever that can loosen those nuts over a few months?
 
LCP;213785 said:
Revisiting this thread... the complete power failure occurred again a few days back... This time I went to the battery terminals in the boot and shook the cables and the power came back on... Realised that the terminals had loosened a bit, so I used a size 13 (dunno why batt terminal nuts are always size 13) wrench to tighten them back, real tight this time... How come got gremlins/lemmings/whatever that can loosen those nuts over a few months?

I sometimes use spring washer to avoid nut from move.
 
You have a point there... Will try out putting a washer on each terminal's nut...
 
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