On wheel balancing.. Does it safe..?

[food_lover]

Visit my usual mechanic for routine tire balancing and alignment, from some reading material in forums, i notice that some1 had mentioned having a "on wheel balancing"...So, i did asked my mechanic regarding "on wheel balancing". he said that it will ruin or you'll having a risk to corrupt ABS system.. He added that "on wheel balancing" is only equivalent to 60% than tire balancing that we usually having..I wonder if this is true..? He is saying this based on his 30years of experience in tire and i already with him for 10years now.. So far, his did a good job!Anyone..?

 

[kevster30]

Do a google search on 'static' and 'dynamic' balancing and all your answers are there.

 

[infinityKL]

hi food lover... welcome

 

[jeffreyewe]

i always insist on an ON wheel balance after my off wheel, alignment and balancing. My regular guy has the same yrs or experience and he has always personaly do the ON wheel balancing himself for my car.

 

[naharnms]

form my experience, if you still experience wobbling at higher speed, say >110km/h, than it is better to go for on-wheel balancing as the tyre is rotated at higher 'rpm', so any weight to be added can be precisely added. This also because maybe your rim is slightly dented, and the on wheel balancing can 'detect ' this..
But if you do the normal off wheel balancing, and no more balancing issues at high speed, then dont worry about the on-wheel balancing..

but nowadays, it os difficult to find a tyre shop with on-wheel balancing m/c

btw jeffreywe.. where is your tyre shop, incase it is nearby my place, then can go do the alignmen/balancing there as well. give me another second option to go..

my 2 cents

 

[VNP]

Stearing wobbling

form my experience, if you still experience wobbling at higher speed, say >110km/h, than it is better to go for on-wheel balancing as the tyre is rotated at higher 'rpm', so any weight to be added can be precisely added. This also because maybe your rim is slightly dented, and the on wheel balancing can 'detect ' this..
But if you do the normal off wheel balancing, and no more balancing issues at high speed, then dont worry about the on-wheel balancing..

but nowadays, it os difficult to find a tyre shop with on-wheel balancing m/c

btw jeffreywe.. where is your tyre shop, incase it is nearby my place, then can go do the alignmen/balancing there as well. give me another second option to go..

my 2 cents

After I changed both the lower arm bushes together with the ball joints(four of them) I send my baby for alignment and balancing. The tyre shop guy did an on wheel balancing but I still get that wobbling feeling at speed higher than 100km/h. I did notice that my front tyres have uneven wear towards the inner side. Could this be the cause of the wobbling?Funny
thing is, I did not experience any wobbling before I change those bushes and ball joints. Can anyone shed some light?:wink:

 

[jarance]

After I changed both the lower arm bushes together with the ball joints(four of them) I send my baby for alignment and balancing. The tyre shop guy did an on wheel balancing but I still get that wobbling feeling at speed higher than 100km/h. I did notice that my front tyres have uneven wear towards the inner side. Could this be the cause of the wobbling?Funny
thing is, I did not experience any wobbling before I change those bushes and ball joints. Can anyone shed some light?:wink:

Off wheel balancing is up to accuracy of 10 grams. whereas on-wheel balancing is up to an accuracy of 5 gram.

Off balancing is done mostly by computer which tell the technician where to put the weight and how much weight. If you observe carefully, the computer will tell the technician the weight upto 10 grams.

On-wheel balancing is by trial and error. most shop will do an off wheel balancing prior to doing an on-wheel balancing to take out the guessing work. If you observe carefully, on wheel balancing will required 2 person to do the work. one guy will feel the steering wheel to feel the vibration and tell the other technician where to put. By putting the weight on certain area, the vibration will either increase or decrease. similarly, increasing or decrease weight will also have the same effect.

If your tyres is worn out on the inner, then your alignment is out of spec.

Most tyre shop will recheck for free if you still faced wobbling when you do on wheel balancing.

 

[astroboy]

i always insist on an ON wheel balance after my off wheel, alignment and balancing. My regular guy has the same yrs or experience and he has always personaly do the ON wheel balancing himself for my car.

Jeff, I bet to differ.

Since you have the intention to do On Wheel balance, why bother to do off wheel la? The foreman will remove all your balancer before performing the On Wheel balance, which takes into consideration of the balance of all your rotating part in the drive terrain from drive shaft up to the brake disc rotor, plus rims and tyre weight.

Its best don't do the On Wheel when you have no problem with steering or floor board vibration. I think your tyre shop has been taking you for a ride all these years to charge you double.

My advice is always stick to off wheel balance, UNLESS that doesn't solve the vibrating problem with steering (front wheel problem) or floor board (rear wheel problem).

 

[jeffreyewe]

Jeff, I bet to differ.

Since you have the intention to do On Wheel balance, why bother to do off wheel la? The foreman will remove all your balancer before performing the On Wheel balance, which takes into consideration of the balance of all your rotating part in the drive terrain from drive shaft up to the brake disc rotor, plus rims and tyre weight.

Its best don't do the On Wheel when you have no problem with steering or floor board vibration. I think your tyre shop has been taking you for a ride all these years to charge you double.

My advice is always stick to off wheel balance, UNLESS that doesn't solve the vibrating problem with steering (front wheel problem) or floor board (rear wheel problem).

The On wheel is done wt all the balancers in place. In actual fact the off wheel will do the job perfectly, it's just my preference to the ON wheel each time as it gives me a peace of mind.

Btw, no extra charge:wink:..most to most a teh tarik at the mamak after the work is done.

 

[jarance]

Jeff, I bet to differ.

Since you have the intention to do On Wheel balance, why bother to do off wheel la? The foreman will remove all your balancer before performing the On Wheel balance, which takes into consideration of the balance of all your rotating part in the drive terrain from drive shaft up to the brake disc rotor, plus rims and tyre weight.

Its best don't do the On Wheel when you have no problem with steering or floor board vibration. I think your tyre shop has been taking you for a ride all these years to charge you double.

My advice is always stick to off wheel balance, UNLESS that doesn't solve the vibrating problem with steering (front wheel problem) or floor board (rear wheel problem).

if you observe carefully, most shop will REMOVE all the weight when they conduct Off wheel balancing. The reason is to create the unbalance condition so that new weight can be add in. Most of the time you will see the same weight will be placed at the same area.

i have never seen anybody removed all the weight prior to doing ON-wheel balancing.:stupid:

Which shop you go for your wheel balancing? I will avoid this shop. :listen:

 

[astroboy]

if you observe carefully, most shop will REMOVE all the weight when they conduct Off wheel balancing. The reason is to create the unbalance condition so that new weight can be add in. Most of the time you will see the same weight will be placed at the same area.

i have never seen anybody removed all the weight prior to doing ON-wheel balancing.:stupid:

Which shop you go for your wheel balancing? I will avoid this shop. :listen:

When performing off wheel and if u notice the mechanic put back all the weight to the exact same spot, that means your balancing was accurate before that and should not do the balancing at all, waste money. I only balance my wheel when replace tyres or re-mount tyres, otw, it should remain balance. Your steering and butt feel is a good gauge for whether a wheel balancing is needed. Those perform periodic balancing is I think waste money.

Many times, many shops. I noticed all weights remove before performing on-wheel. Reason being off-wheel balance fail to solve vibration problem. More weights will be added while conducting the on-wheel balance, so that makes your wheel heavier and that's not good for performance.. and if you are lucky enough, after removing the weights, you will find vibration solved!

Some additional tips, once on-wheel is done, tyre rotation is no longer an option without performing another on-wheel after the rotation, maybe off-wheel too. But when it comes to just opening the wheel to replace brake pad, make sure the mechanic mark the screw so after replacing the pad, the wheel can be fitted back to the exact same orientation before removing the wheel, otherwise you need to do another on-wheel balance after the brake pad replacement. Anyway, its a good habit to always mark your screw so you are assured of putting back the wheel back with the exact same corresponding lug, some tyre shops don't do that for u, so u buta buta need to do another on-wheel once they put back the rim.

Actually why vibration can occur to the drive terrain? I thought every rotating components in the drive terrain is balanced, so why vibration can occur? Drive shaft bengkok? Brake disc rotor makan not even? On-wheel balance is actually the last option to rectify some problem in the drive terrain that causes the wheel to vibrate.

 

[ICEMAN 68]

on wheel balancing for low profile tyre is a no no to me ...cause the tyre wall may end up having some sort of scars , like a super black line apprearing at the upper top wall ....and looks nasty ....

 

[astroboy]

on wheel balancing for low profile tyre is a no no to me ...cause the tyre wall may end up having some sort of scars , like a super black line apprearing at the upper top wall ....and looks nasty ....

Now u all know why this service is not commonly available among the tyre shops?! Most of the time, customer don't need it. Its a good money making tools though..