E60 Engine

[dzuljazz2001]

With all due respect fren, really, its not all about retaliation or harsh action. If I had done that, 2 months ago my car will be out of that workshop. My patience is drawing thinner by the minutes but being and 'old seasoned' person, I will try every legal means possible to have my cars fixed and have somebody accountable for the damages. To-date my car is still there lying idle gathering dust and rust!! The thought of my new set of tyres and paint job .....

My case may not be the first but I will see this through and make BMW realised this design flaw needs indepth rectification done for the improvemnet of the 5 series (diesel perspective) to justify BMW stand as a major force in the auto industry. They just cannot overlook this matter and have it sweep under the carpet. We are talking about a high-performance car here.
True to what you have said earlier, "how can this happened even after full service is done there from the very 1st day?. How can the engine fail that badly? If the engine is known to be problematic and can cause major damage, why it was not communicated to me so that we can address the issue much2 earlier"
WHat irks me most is the complacency and lackadaisical attitude of the service personnel in handling issues. So much so that I believe even with advance technology & equipment at their disposal, they are not competent enough to do the job, . There is so much to be desired there..........

 

[t2ribena]

With all due respect fren, really, its not all about retaliation or harsh action. If I had done that, 2 months ago my car will be out of that workshop. My patience is drawing thinner by the minutes but being and 'old seasoned' person, I will try every legal means possible to have my cars fixed and have somebody accountable for the damages. To-date my car is still there lying idle gathering dust and rust!! The thought of my new set of tyres and paint job .....

My case may not be the first but I will see this through and make BMW realised this design flaw needs indepth rectification done for the improvemnet of the 5 series (diesel perspective) to justify BMW stand as a major force in the auto industry. They just cannot overlook this matter and have it sweep under the carpet. We are talking about a high-performance car here.
True to what you have said earlier, "how can this happened even after full service is done there from the very 1st day?. How can the engine fail that badly? If the engine is known to be problematic and can cause major damage, why it was not communicated to me so that we can address the issue much2 earlier"
WHat irks me most is the complacency and lackadaisical attitude of the service personnel in handling issues. So much so that I believe even with advance technology & equipment at their disposal, they are not competent enough to do the job, . There is so much to be desired there..........

dzul...have u approach BMW Malaysia themselves? If not i suggest u go to them directly...explain to them ur situation and what u expect from them...see what action they take...just forget about AB for the time being...:top:

 

[Guna]

Well Dzuljazz2001,you go ahead and do what needs to be done and I just want you to know that some of us here would stick by you if the need be.

I think the interjection here by a certain 'sifu' is more of a personal grudge than actually being helpful.Why do I get this feeling that had I not voiced my opinion on your issue,you need not explain the above?(smell the rat?)

With due respect to experienced and knowledgeable forumers whom I don't doubt have been an asset to this forum with their vast technical knowhow,should stick to just that...technical advice.Now albeit the fact that I've only had the opportunity to be in the presence of Dzulljazz2001 only once(not even meet him yet),I couldn't help but to observe the on goings and I could tell that he was a very collected,calm and fairly distinguished man(no intentions of apple polishing here ok).He sure doesn't come thru to me to being someone aggressive or someone that needs to be taught procedures.Judging from the scenario,can't one tell that the poor man had done all he could the proper way?It won't hurt to read and understand the chronicle of events that he went thru before coming up with some school teacher advice on how to be nice right?

What would have been the proper thing(if one chooses to) is probably advice the poor guy on how he can solve the problem technically or maybe if there is a way where we can corner these manufacturers to foot the bill or both.After all aren't we all here to share ideas and help each other?no?Now I suppose this certain 'sifu' is expecting this from me or maybe not but trust me there's more from where that came from.(me aggressive?nah)

Now before I become the hot topic in your next TT...again,think carefully before you come up with schoolkids advice:stupid:.Get over it la...I'm here to learn and share...screw the other agendas

ps/ I thought everyone was perfect

 

[t2ribena]

Well Dzuljazz2001,you go ahead and do what needs to be done and I just want you to know that some of us here would stick by you if the need be.

I think the interjection here by a certain 'sifu' is more of a personal grudge than actually being helpful.Why do I get this feeling that had I not voiced my opinion on your issue,you need not explain the above?(smell the rat?)

With due respect to experienced and knowledgeable forumers whom I don't doubt have been an asset to this forum with their vast technical knowhow,should stick to just that...technical advice.Now albeit the fact that I've only had the opportunity to be in the presence of Dzulljazz2001 only once(not even meet him yet),I couldn't help but to observe the on goings and I could tell that he was a very collected,calm and fairly distinguished man(no intentions of apple polishing here ok).He sure doesn't come thru to me to being someone aggressive or someone that needs to be taught procedures.Judging from the scenario,can't one tell that the poor man had done all he could the proper way?It won't hurt to read and understand the chronicle of events that he went thru before coming up with some school teacher advice on how to be nice right?

What would have been the proper thing(if one chooses to) is probably advice the poor guy on how he can solve the problem technically or maybe if there is a way where we can corner these manufacturers to foot the bill or both.After all aren't we all here to share ideas and help each other?no?Now I suppose this certain 'sifu' is expecting this from me or maybe not but trust me there's more from where that came from.(me aggressive?nah)

Now before I become the hot topic in your next TT...again,think carefully before you come up with schoolkids advice:stupid:.Get over it la...I'm here to learn and share...screw the other agendas

ps/ I thought everyone was perfect

bwahahahahahaahahahahaha...try listening to yourself for a change when u decided to take a cheap shot at me or others...i think its only me...

u are too overly confident of urself in judging ppl mr. guna...so in many cases u urself is an enemy to urself and not others...

just a point to ponder with...lets say u urself makes a product and offer it for sale with a warranty of 1 year and there are tonnes of condition that could make it fail...afta 4 years one nice chap comes back and say the product has failed and u shud cover for the repair or replacement...then wat shud u do? what about other ppl who pays the same price but the product failed and they paid for the repair themselves? there is no perfect system and what we have is a compromise that the maker offers a warranty for a certain period and we have to accept it...part of a buy-sell risk...if it fails just short of the warranty expiry then they could perhaps consider a goodwill warranty but afta so long??

 

[nat]

Aiyaaa guys no need to get personal; its a forum what, anybody can put in their dua sen's worth.

Dzuljazz2001, this same issue was posted about a month ago : the swirl flaps were apparently ingested during servicing. You may want to PM the guy and see how it was resolved.

From what I've seen in overseas forums, the swirl flaps are a known issue with the 2004/2005 diesel engines, and were redesigned for later models. However there has been no recall or fix. Now, everyone expects wear and tear, but not having to replace an engine block ! I think BMW should be more responsible and forthcoming on this issue.

 

[Guna]

bwahahahahahaahahahahaha...try listening to yourself for a change when u decided to take a cheap shot at me or others...i think its only me...

u are too overly confident of urself in judging ppl mr. guna...so in many cases u urself is an enemy to urself and not others...

just a point to ponder with...lets say u urself makes a product and offer it for sale with a warranty of 1 year and there are tonnes of condition that could make it fail...afta 4 years one nice chap comes back and say the product has failed and u shud cover for the repair or replacement...then wat shud u do? what about other ppl who pays the same price but the product failed and they paid for the repair themselves? there is no perfect system and what we have is a compromise that the maker offers a warranty for a certain period and we have to accept it...part of a buy-sell risk...if it fails just short of the warranty expiry then they could perhaps consider a goodwill warranty but afta so long??

I'm rolling on the floor laughing too...cheap shots? nothing is cheap,you're paying for it

Again I repeat,I'm not here to judge nor to be judged and there you go again getting all philosophical.What gives you the right to tell me who my enemies are?Do you actually believe that everyone is a little lesser than you?At this stage in life do you actually think we need to be told how to walk and talk?

Having said that,I quiet agree with you on the warranty bit but the point I was trying to make was that if it is actually a manufacturing fault maybe we could get them to terms.That's all man.Now had you just stuck to the above advice(minus the over confident,cheapshot etc..) we don't have to be rolling on the floor laughing now,isn't it?Had you read his posts carefully,you would have noticed that his biggest complain was how laid back an attitude the service is at our local AB.Have you ever had the opportunity to use them here?No?really? I was so " over confident" that surely you have.

Now,I've read some of your posts and I'm convinced that you are a very technically well versed person and that is a major asset to forums like this and more so to newbies who are learning like me.Someday I may want to be as good too but God forbid I sure hope I don't get as cocky.Take note that had you not taken an indirect 'cheap shot ' at me first this circus could have been avoided,right?Now I have been very careful not to step on some of your tails but if you keep coming back for more,is it my fault?And that's why I said,get over it bro.Stop provoking others,if you have a constructive advise,say it but don't just jump and say,I'm almighty and everyone should listen to me.

I for one would like to bury the hatchet and move on but if you think the show must go on,I'm game.:wink:

 

[Guna]

Aiyaaa guys no need to get personal; its a forum what, anybody can put in their dua sen's worth.

Dzuljazz2001, this same issue was posted about a month ago : the swirl flaps were apparently ingested during servicing. You may want to PM the guy and see how it was resolved.

From what I've seen in overseas forums, the swirl flaps are a known issue with the 2004/2005 diesel engines, and were redesigned for later models. However there has been no recall or fix. Now, everyone expects wear and tear, but not having to replace an engine block ! I think BMW should be more responsible and forthcoming on this issue.

Really ah????

 

[nat]

Follow the link to the pdf document posted above.

Also, consumers have rights outside contractual warranties .. try google product liability malaysia ... there are alternative remedies, but get proper legal advice first.

 

[dzuljazz2001]

To all my Forumer .... lets join forces and resolve issues and not fault finding. to tri2bena, Guna and Nat, I really appreciate your feedbacks but the bottom line is, we are not here to fault anybody, even AB or BMW for that matter but rather find a solution to this problem. I luv beemers and have high regards for them but if they (BMW Malaysia) are not willing to listen to us (consumers/end users) to address this "flaw", this high performance car will only be another car and NOT a be a better machine to drive with Sheer Pleasure...

Ok back to my issue....forget the warranty or the goodwill. We are talking here about design flaw. In-take manifolds is a close unit which should not be damaged unless under abnormal situation (upgrading of HP or damaged in an auto accident) it will be damaged.
If my case is an isolated first case of such manner, yes I would agree and accept the total responsibility of my engine failure. After joining this forum and doing a lot of fact-findings and research, I find that this flaw surfaced way back in 2004/05, at least. Being that the case, BMW or AB should have come up with a maintenance guide or schedule and advise owners what precaution to take to keep this unit from destroying itself. That is the MANUFACTURER RESPONSIBILITY.
I have asked around, a lot, and legally, I can tied up all this incidents and make BMW liable for all this mishap, especially when services are done with them from day 1.
Its an issue they have known and yet we the (end user) were not inform of it and like I have mention earlier, they should have come up with some sort of maintenance guide (SOP) and schedule to all its outlet and have consumers informed of the schedule. A stitch in time saves nine. Right!!
Well, so much for the in-take manifold issue.

Have you guys seen the condition of my piston head? If you have, you will definitely be scratching your head and wondering, how on earth could it get that corroded.So badly corroded but the irony is, its only on piston head (the intake manifld no 6 had its butterfly flap missing but the piston head NO 5 is the one corroded and damaged!!!!)

Based on feedbacks from renowned machanics, technial and machinical expertise, only the presence of a "foriegn" object in the cumbustion chamber can cause such 'indentation" to the valve head and heavy deposits on the piston head! The only logical explanation is, pieces of 'glow plug' could have been the cause of it.
Being in a technically inclined company, I have been involved with technical people (Electrical, Machanical and Instrumentation) for more that 20 years and basically if I want to explain in details here, it will be too much to take and some of us might be missing some valuable points . We have standards and procedures to follow with regards to mechanical parts and we sure do know what we are talking about. Maybe one of us can initiate one TT session and my 'technical friends' and me will be more than willing to share knowledge and experience for everyone's benefits.

I am still at the stage of gathering as much information as possible with regards to this 'E60 Engine' problem. Basically I need to get info from owners who had faced this problem prior to this. Hopefully I can get positive feedback from all so that I can present my findings to the Principal and have them truly acknowledge the 'flaw' in this series.

Basicall, what I need are :
1. Name or Nick of E60 owners.
2. Car Model/Make/Year
3. When problems encountered.
4. Where & When (AB/BMW Outlet or local workshop) problems rectify.
5. Cost of spares and repairs (whose responsibilty/ who pay for it)

I will 'forum' more later but sincerely I do hope I will get some positive feedback for all.

Cheers......

 

[dzuljazz2001]

dear nat ...this is my number and email. If you know of the guy or anyone for that matter, asked them to text me or mail me. I really need to speak to them.

hp : +60193141348
email : dzulka@petronas.com.my
: dzuljazz2001@yahoo.com

Thanks bro.