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Message: <blockquote data-quote="minivan" data-source="post: 187740" data-attributes="member: 3775">Have'nt tried this. Usually (for me) its 3rd from 11 into 4th, stay in 4th for 12 and 13, drop to 3rd while in 13 heading to 14 (over do this and mis-judge the weight transfer of the car in 13... its off you go <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin    :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />)Ok... if i attack 12 with 3rd and snatch 4th as i turn in... would'nt that result in loss of throttle control in the corner, understeering the car and maybe losing it in the gravel on the left??  (i'm rationalizing this from an FF cars point of view, maybe FR different...) i don't have experience taking an FR to the limit yet... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue    :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>