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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Schwepps" data-source="post: 329139" data-attributes="member: 3592">My pleasure astro! Payback for laughing when you said that the factory first-fill may be a special foaming oil. :wink: I found that it might be true, as some manufacturers feel that the top-end parts may not catch and wear-in properly if a fully-synth is used right away, so they factory-fill with a lower grade mineral oil. I couldn't determine if BMW does this though.IMO, there's no harm in using a good quality semi-synth, so long as you change oil and filter often, say at 12k intervals. I'm sure Torco SR-1 is good oil, as Torco has a long history and name. It's just that it's better to know the truth about the product you're using , and then make an informed decision. They can't be sued because it's legal to call G-3 oils '100% synthetic' in the US, and by the looks of it in Australia too. But it's not legal in Germany and Japan. Now which countries standards do you want to follow - Germany/Japan or USA/Australia? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin    :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />Parts counters at all BMW dealers sell BMW Quality LL-01 oil in 1 lit packs for RM95 for top-up and DIY. I believe AB Glenmarie uses Shell Helix Ultra AB instead of Syntium 3000 for service-fill, and if you want Ultra AB, it's RM80 per lit from Merc dealers. BTW, the Helix that's LL-01 compliant is Ultra AB, not plain Ultra. Q8 Formula Special 0W-30 from Kuwait Petroleum is on the approved list, but I doubt that you can get this off-the-shelf. Maybe you can get Formula Excel, which complies with quite a few manufacturer standards, but not BMW LL.</blockquote>

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