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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lee36328" data-source="post: 212787" data-attributes="member: 113">Surely you mean, one should not be ignorant of reality?  "Reality" is not to be ignorant - does not make grammatical sense.Business should not be about profitting.  Yes, emphasis on should.Business IS about profitting.  Reality.  Emphasis on IS.  Remember your statement earlier?  One should not be ignorant of reality?So, we are not in disagreement here.  Your view is what the ideal world, esp  of business, should be like.  I am merely stating, as the burger documentary that so shocked you showed, what reality IS.Wise wise words there, on the lunacy of Man marquerading under the guise of religion.  This deserves a couple of drinks and a long discussion.Let me re-state here.  Business is about profits.South Africa's apartheid was not ended by a business organisation.  It was ended by another type of organisation.  Is it clear enough now?  Different types of organisations exist for different reasons.  Business exist for profit, by definition.  Here's a quick dictionary definition, ok?  "Business - a person, partnership, or corporation engaged in commerce, manufacturing, or a service; profit-seeking enterprise or concern"There's another word for the organisations you are talking about; charity, NGO, non-profit, governmental, to name a few.Where there's demand, there will be supply, because business seeks profits.  Banning cigarettes will simply send it underground, like other drugs.  Again, I am simply stating a fact, not making a moral statement.Just wondering, sidetrack a bit, what happened after you voiced it out?So, what is the solution you advocate to the burger industry, which is all about profit, like any other business?Yes, only when the demand cease will the supply cease, again, because it is profit-driven.  In the long run, when we stop asking for products which offends our sense of morality, business will comply.  Which brings me neatly to the concept of "the invisible hand."The invisible hand is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor" target="_blank">metaphor</a> coined by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economist" target="_blank">economist</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith" target="_blank">Adam Smith</a> to illustrate how those who seek wealth by following their individual self-interest, stimulate the economy as a secondary effect and thus assist society as a whole.You are talking activism.  I am talking business.Was that your point?  I thought your point was your surprise at how business exists solely for profit?You can bemoan human nature all you want, but it will never change.  It is in our DNA.  Evolution has seen to that.Good point.So why is it so hard to get people to pay membership so that they do not treat this place as a rented/free house?  Good day.  Thanks for the nice discussion. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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